Body Shaming

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm curious about your views on airplane seats. If a person can't fit in a seat do you feel it is wrong to make them pay for two seats? Some people call that fat shaming. But on the other hand wouldn't it make it extremely uncomfortable if you were sitting next to someone who could not properly fit into their sit? By that I mean physically uncomfortable.

Telling someone they need two seats cos their ass is too wide is shaming them, really no way around that. So it's an unfortunately necessary fat shaming as it's an understandable one from a business practice.

Airlines exist to provide a service/make money and they sell by seat, not the size of the person. eg a baby taking a seat costs as much as an adult, but a parent/guardian can opt to not pay for a baby is they chose to hold the child and take up one seat together.

Originally posted by Robtard
Telling someone they need two seats cos their ass is too wide is shaming them, really no way around that. So it's an unfortunate fat shaming as it's an understandable one from a business practice.

Airlines exist to provide and service/make money and they sell by seat, not the size of the person. eg a baby taking a seat costs as much as an adult, but a parent/guardian can opt to not pay for a baby is they chose to hold the child and take up one seat together.

I don't know if I'd call it shaming as much as an uncomfortable truth. Admittedly it's probably going to hurt their feelings no matter what, but I would imagine it's the only fair way to go about it. If you're taking up two seats then you pay for both.

Originally posted by Jmanghan
I was bringing up how everyone thinks its an outrage that a girl was called fat, but its suddenly ok to make a thread where Homosexuality is considered mental illness.

That's got nothing to do with anything. Did the OP who made that thread push the viewpoint that it's okay to think of homosexuality as a mental illness? They just brought up the fact it was listed as such in medical books until the early 1970's; it's not believed to be the case anymore, except by an extremist minority.

While I stared this thread with the definite opinion that body shaming is wrong, and it's out of control in society and the media. People can have varying opinions on how much weight is healthy on your frame and what constitutes beauty, but going to extremes in shaming is what drives women to bulimia and being anorexic.

Originally posted by Surtur
I don't know if I'd call it shaming as much as an uncomfortable truth. Admittedly it's probably going to hurt their feelings no matter what, but I would imagine it's the only fair way to go about it. If you're taking up two seats then you pay for both.

Though I would like to think airlines would be willing to only charge one ticket for a person that uses two if the flight isn't booked and they have the empty space, as a courtesy to large(r) people.

Originally posted by roughrider
That's got nothing to do with anything. Did the OP who made that thread push the viewpoint that it's okay to think of homosexuality as a mental illness? They just brought up the fact it was listed as such in medical books until the early 1970's; it's not believed to be the case anymore, except by an extremist minority.

While I stared this thread with the definite opinion that body shaming is wrong, and it's out of control in society and the media. People can have varying opinions on how much weight is healthy on your frame and what constitutes beauty, but going to extremes in shaming is what drives women to bulimia and being anorexic.

Thanks for clearing that up man. I hate that we can't have an open discussion without someone mucking it up or labeling

Originally posted by Robtard
Who is doing that? Obesity is dangerous and shouldn't be promoted, but that'd different than fat/body shaming.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/27/68/d4/2768d435e3d81b74ddf3099d464f2ca1.jpg
https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/ijlXFS.099.DfKuKGGXdEA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9NTUwO2lsPXBsYW5l/http://l.yimg.com/cd/resizer/2.0/FIT_TO_WIDTH-w500/01c8b79011f1c8519df1dbb8fb7f5fecc1bcc4a7.jpg

This one especially
http://i.imgur.com/cYfzBpJ.jpg

There's tons of shit like this. It's ok to make fun of healthy people but you should accept obesity

Originally posted by One Big Mob
How is that different? And of course it doesn't exist... I just made it up.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/27/68/d4/2768d435e3d81b74ddf3099d464f2ca1.jpg
https://s.yimg.com/ny/api/res/1.2/ijlXFS.099.DfKuKGGXdEA--/YXBwaWQ9aGlnaGxhbmRlcjtzbT0xO3c9NTUwO2lsPXBsYW5l/http://l.yimg.com/cd/resizer/2.0/FIT_TO_WIDTH-w500/01c8b79011f1c8519df1dbb8fb7f5fecc1bcc4a7.jpg

This one especially
http://i.imgur.com/cYfzBpJ.jpg

There's tons of shit like this. It's ok to make fun of healthy people but you should accept obesity

Originally posted by One Big Mob
http://i.imgur.com/cYfzBpJ.jpg

Everyone should just stfu, then everyone would be happy, especially me.

Originally posted by Robtard
Though I would like to think airlines would be willing to only charge one ticket for a person that uses two if the flight isn't booked and they have the empty space, as a courtesy to large(r) people.

Would this be fair though? Since before you mentioned how a child, no matter how small, is in a seat they need to pay for it, right? So it sounds like as long as someone is taking up even a portion of the seat it needs to be paid for.

It just seems like that would be granting them special treatment right?

Air Travel isn't Isn't fair either way, there's people that pay half for business class seats than most people pay for their economy seats. Companies providing the free seats that they do have on the plane for those in most need of them as a courtesy isn't really a big deal, and it serves both the person that would have had to sit next to the large person and the large person themselves. Now of the flight is booked out there's another issue, the only thing that the airline then could do is refusing to fly the big person, which is not ideal either. You could say that they should have bought two seats but then it is really too late.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Air Travel isn't Isn't fair either way, there's people that pay half for business class seats than most people pay for their economy seats. Companies providing the free seats that they do have on the plane for those in most need of them as a courtesy isn't really a big deal, and it serves both the person that would have had to sit next to the large person and the large person themselves. Now of the flight is booked out there's another issue, the only thing that the airline then could do is refusing to fly the big person, which is not ideal either. You could say that they should have bought two seats but then it is really too late.

I don't know the rationale behind the business class seats. Maybe its because they think businessmen fly way way more often? I don't know, nobody said air lines are the fairest places in the world, but if you take up two seats then you should pay for them.

I think you misunderstood my point. Airlines don't make you pay if you have a free seat next to you, so why should they only charge if an otherwise free seat is next to a bigger person? And if there are no free seats available then they can't sell another seat, so at the end of the day, when it comes to actually see whether a person takes up two seats it's basically too late to do much about it, except for throwing the fat person out of the plane. Which you know won't play well PR wise.

Nobody said automatically charge a fat person if a seat next to them is empty. What was said is if they take up more then one seat they get charged for it. This isn't rocket science we're dealing with: you take up more then one seat you pay for more then one. If you don't take up more then one seat then you pay for one seat. It's quite simple.

If an overweight person should get two seats for the price of one then EVERYONE should, correct? It just shouldn't be obese people? People shouldn't get special treatment based on size or race, right Bardock? You are against special treatment due to size or race or gender, right?

If someone is so overweight they can't fit in the seat then they need to pay for the extra seat they take up. If they have a problem with this or feel that acknowledging reality and the limitations of airplane seating is "fat shaming" then the solution is not to fly. Drive a car. I hear trains are cool neat ways to travel. You need to go overseas? Take a boat or some shit. Charter a submarine if you have to.

Though of course if you can afford to charter a submarine then you can afford to pay for the extra seat you take up.

^I was thinking of the Kevin Smith incident on Southwest Airlines the other day. I'm sure he had the moolah to pay for a larger seat business class style if he wanted. You can be whatever size you want, but as soon as you take up two whole seats on a jet because you can't squeeze into one, you're got a serious weight problem that goes beyond body shaming.

Although Smith claims he was able to squeeze into one seat and put down the armrests, so there might be more to the incident.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/35406030/ns/travel-news/t/oversized-kevin-smith-ejected-flight/#.Vw_HCXpOyrs

It's one of those things where I guess it's accidental fat shaming. I mean you aren't trying to make them feel bad, but if you are taking up more then one seat you are probably going to be required to pay for it.

Now for the Kevin Smith thing I'm on the fence about because he said he could fit in but he had to really squeeze into it in order to do so. Well okay, but when what if you have a really long flight? Sitting like that, squeezed into a single seat, for many many hours..surely not only would this cause discomfort, but possibly some kind of potential back problem or something? So I don't know it might of been a safety thing. Though I guess if he legitimately could fit in and put the arm rests down then he should of been allowed to fly if he wanted to fly.

It reminds me of another instance of accidental fat shaming, but this time it wasn't on an airline. I was watching this tv special and the guy they were talking about was a big guy. So big in fact that when a health issue came up where he required an MRI he actually had to go to the local zoo to get his MRI because he could not fit into the MRI machines the hospital/doctor had. So he had to go to the zoo and use an MRI made specifically for giving large animals an MRI. So I mean when the guy was told this he kind of laughed it off, but I'm sure that had to of hurt and yet..there was no other choice. It was either that or he doesn't get an MRI.

I can sympathize with him because I've had many many MRI's done and sometimes you have to lay there for a long time. So I can't imagine what it must of been like to have to endure that..but at the zoo.

Originally posted by Surtur
It's one of those things where I guess it's accidental fat shaming. I mean you aren't trying to make them feel bad, but if you are taking up more then one seat you are probably going to be required to pay for it.

Now for the Kevin Smith thing I'm on the fence about because he said he could fit in but he had to really squeeze into it in order to do so. Well okay, but when what if you have a really long flight? Sitting like that, squeezed into a single seat, for many many hours..surely not only would this cause discomfort, but possibly some kind of potential back problem or something? So I don't know it might of been a safety thing. Though I guess if he legitimately could fit in and put the arm rests down then he should of been allowed to fly if he wanted to fly.

It reminds me of another instance of accidental fat shaming, but this time it wasn't on an airline. I was watching this tv special and the guy they were talking about was a big guy. So big in fact that when a health issue came up where he required an MRI he actually had to go to the local zoo to get his MRI because he could not fit into the MRI machines the hospital/doctor had. So he had to go to the zoo and use an MRI made specifically for giving large animals an MRI. So I mean when the guy was told this he kind of laughed it off, but I'm sure that had to of hurt and yet..there was no other choice. It was either that or he doesn't get an MRI.

I can sympathize with him because I've had many many MRI's done and sometimes you have to lay there for a long time. So I can't imagine what it must of been like to have to endure that..but at the zoo.

That was once an episode of Scrubs, that plot. This patient was a regular, really well liked, and J.D. (Zack Braff) didn't want to insult him with a trip to the zoo for an MRI. Elliot (Sarah Chalke) shoves him aside and gives the patient the brutal truth, professionally. The patient is disappointed, but understands. Elliot later chastises J.D. for his continuing pattern of not being able to tell people the honest truth because he wants to be liked.

I think you can give people an opinion about their body without getting into body shaming, if you do it right.

Holy shit I hope Scrubs based that off a real thing otherwise I'm starting to associate reality with shitty tv shows. Not cool Zach Braff, not cool at all.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Well, labelling does change perception.

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Is it worth identifying ppl regardless of issue.