Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Apparently, and they gave it to Hyperion.Oh, and Cheetah 10/10
I see, I was just making sure someone wasn't getting hung up on the wording used. True he's not weak to magic like he is kryptonite, but there are definitely versions of Superman that can't handle magic as well as other things.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Forum myth. He's never been weak to magic. It's just not his thing.Oh and cheetah decimates BP. He is getting some Lord Rand level Wankage lately and he's not even that good.
He flat out doesn't handle magic as well as other things. Call that whatever you want..a weakness, vulnerability, whatever. Also the "myth" thing is by no means something that originated on this forum.
There is no way this isn't true. Like when Superman fought Etrigan and got hit with magical fire. It didn't burn him, but he actually felt the heat, etc. when he wouldn't experience that with normal fire.
Likewise, especially magical weapons are not "his thing". He's been easily cut by magical daggers, etc.
So no matter how you spin it or what wording you use..piercing his skin with a magic enhanced weapon isn't that impressive. It would be infinitely more impressive if his skin was pierced because the person was just that damn strong.
Originally posted by Surtur
He flat out doesn't handle magic as well as other things. Call that whatever you want..a weakness, vulnerability, whatever. Also the "myth" thing is by no means something that originated on this forum.There is no way this isn't true. Like when Superman fought Etrigan and got hit with magical fire. It didn't burn him, but he actually felt the heat, etc. when he wouldn't experience that with normal fire.
Likewise, especially magical weapons are not "his thing". He's been easily cut by magical daggers, etc.
So no matter how you spin it or what wording you use..piercing his skin with a magic enhanced weapon isn't that impressive. It would be infinitely more impressive if his skin was pierced because the person was just that damn strong.
Can you show me where it'd been stated that (in dialogue or writer narrative ) that Clark is "weak" against magic more so than any other non magic entity.
Originally posted by Sin I AM
Can you show me where it'd been stated that (in dialogue or writer narrative ) that Clark is "weak" against magic more so than any other non magic entity.
We don't need a statement, we just can go by what we see. I never said he was weaker then some non magic being, what I said was he doesn't handle magic as well as he does non-magical attacks.
To which that actually isn't debatable and it's not something someone needs to say on panel because we just have a variety of examples of it. Normal fire wouldn't burn Superman or cause him any kind of discomfort, he wouldn't feel it. He felt the heat of the magic fire. Now of course a normal person would be killed by magical fire.
The "myth" as you call it is that magic affects Superman just like it does a normal person. That is not the case at all, normal people can't survive magical lightning or fire. But on the other hand magical lightning or fire has more of an effect on him then fire or lightning from a non-magical source.
But when it comes to mystical weapons it seems they *do* pierce his skin just as easily as it would any normal person. Which is why hurting him with a magically enhanced weapon isn't really noteworthy. What would be impressive is hurting him because you're just that damn strong.
Also remember: you agree with me. You just worded it differently. Acknowledging magic isn't his "thing" is more or less saying he doesn't handle magic as well as he does other kinds of attacks.
Originally posted by Surtur
We don't need a statement, we just can go by what we see. I never said he was weaker then some non magic being, what I said was he doesn't handle magic as well as he does non-magical attacks.To which that actually isn't debatable and it's not something someone needs to say on panel because we just have a variety of examples of it. Normal fire wouldn't burn Superman or cause him any kind of discomfort, he wouldn't feel it. He felt the heat of the magic fire. Now of course a normal person would be killed by magical fire.
The "myth" as you call it is that magic affects Superman just like it does a normal person. That is not the case at all, normal people can't survive magical lightning or fire. But on the other hand magical lightning or fire has more of an effect on him then fire or lightning from a non-magical source.
But when it comes to mystical weapons it seems they *do* pierce his skin just as easily as it would any normal person. Which is why hurting him with a magically enhanced weapon isn't really noteworthy. What would be impressive is hurting him because you're just that damn strong.
Also remember: you agree with me. You just worded it differently. Acknowledging magic isn't his "thing" is more or less saying he doesn't handle magic as well as he does other kinds of attacks.
I don't like your wording because it implicates a vulnerability. A knife blessed with divine magic to be able to slice atoms is just that. Superman isn't immune to divine magic so he isn't gonna tank that knife. He's gonna get cut.
Definitely has been alluded to.
http://i.imgur.com/s5e0HNO.jpg
I know, Abhi will rush in to defend his Lord and Saviour, and talk about how that was an incredibly powerful blast nonetheless bla bla...but Superman's words are very telling.
And then there's the teeth showing. Superman was being shredded by, what was called old crone teeth.
Their magical nature MUST have made them more durable/sharper/whatever. Otherwise, Ma Kent could just bite him.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Definitely has been alluded to.http://i.imgur.com/s5e0HNO.jpg
I know, Abhi will rush in to defend his Lord and Saviour, and talk about how that was an incredibly powerful blast nonetheless bla bla...but Superman's words are very telling.
And then there's the teeth showing. Superman was being shredded by, what was called old crone teeth.
Their magical nature MUST have made them more durable/sharper/whatever. Otherwise, Ma Kent could just bite him.
Superman. Is weak. To magic.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Definitely has been alluded to.http://i.imgur.com/s5e0HNO.jpg
I know, Abhi will rush in to defend his Lord and Saviour, and talk about how that was an incredibly powerful blast nonetheless bla bla...but Superman's words are very telling.
And then there's the teeth showing. Superman was being shredded by, what was called old crone teeth.
Their magical nature MUST have made them more durable/sharper/whatever. Otherwise, Ma Kent could just bite him.
What showing
Originally posted by riv6672
Valid, if somewhat semantic point.If the end result is Superman getting hurt, thats what matters.
Its like some movie or TV show i recall where someone asks a vampire if a stake through the heart would kill him, and the vampire says that would pretty much kill anyone.
Let's say magic paper same material as regular paper but magic nonetheless gave some regular human a paper cut do you think it would do the same to Superman?
The answer is no the magic has to be at a certain level for one to be unbearable to Clark and the second thing is just cause he can be hurt by it doesn't make him weak to anything to be magic based he still has an insane durability. If a writer wrote a Thor/Superman fight Clark would be taking hits from Mljonir that would kill Luke Cage (Example)
If a writer wrote a Thor/Superman fight Clark would be taking hits from Mljonir that would kill Luke Cage (Example)
NOT saying all vampires are created equal at Marvel & DC, i've seen Baron Blood damn near chip a tooth on Captain America's chain mail. A vampire has put the bite on Superman though, at least twice, that i can recall.
