Asajj Ventress vs. Ven Zallow

Started by Syndicate3 pages

That's your theory then which you're free to have. Obi Wan sounds like that throughout the whole movie however even during negotiations with the General when he's surrounded by enemy forces and trying to stall for time. That's just how he was portrayed at that point until his personality was more developed in the CGI series.

Obi Wan has impressive unarmed combat skills then.

Will need to see that for myself.

Until you can provide the quote or prove your theory it effectively was.

As much as a stalemate as Luminara being taken down and only living because a padawan saved her.

Originally posted by Syndicate
That's your theory then which you're free to have. Obi Wan sounds like that throughout the whole movie however even during negotiations with the General when he's surrounded by enemy forces and trying to stall for time. That's just how he was portrayed at that point until his personality was more developed in the CGI series.

Obi Wan has impressive unarmed combat skills then.

Will need to see that for myself.

Until you can provide the quote or prove your theory it effectively was.

He was being very sarcastic and playful during the negotiations, so he it kind of proves my point about his tone in the duel suggesting he wasn't taking it too seriously.

No, it wasn't. This is the definition of stalemate: a position counting as a draw, in which a player is not in check but cannot move except into check.

Ventress losing both her weapons and fleeing is not a stalemate.

Also, I'll see if I can get the quote later on

Originally posted by |King Joker|
He was being very sarcastic and playful during the negotiations, so he it kind of proves my point about his tone in the duel suggesting he wasn't taking it too seriously.

No, it wasn't. This is the definition of stalemate: a position counting as a draw, in which a player is not in check but cannot move except into check.

Ventress losing both her weapons and fleeing is not a stalemate.

Also, I'll see if I can get the quote later on

So your argument is he wasn't taking any of the events throughout the entirety of the movie seriously? You're free to hold that opinion I guess but you'll forgive me if I just think that's his tone/personality at that point as an original undeveloped work.

I don't now how you define it but a majority of debaters I have seen along with myself believe it's when two foes are evenly matched.

Kenobi disarmed her and she disarmed Kenobi. They performed equally well against eachother.

Thank you.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Remember Ventress by Season 1 stalemated Kenobi.
Isn't Season 1 set only a few months after AotC ? I think Ven would beat AotC Kenobi, so , unless Kenobi has improved significantly between AotC ans Season 1, I couls still see him beat Ventress.

We don't know how much he's improved by the TCW movie though the novel mentions he and Anakin had established a rhythm in battle. Meaning it had been going long enough for the famous Anakin/Obi Wan teamwork to begin kicking in.

They may have a rhythm, but it's a shit rhythm for actually overwhelming someone. I suppose it works well for attrition, but then again Ventress dueled them only briefly on Christophsis.

Ventress contended very well with Anakin in ARC Troopers so I'm inclined to say she takes the win here.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Ventress contended very well with Anakin in ARC Troopers so I'm inclined to say she takes the win here.

Was that not a season 3 arc?

Edit: never mind, checked chronological episode order. I'd still give it to Zallow, Anakin at this point is still noticeably pre-prime.

Originally posted by Emperordmb
Was that not a season 3 arc?

Edit: never mind, checked chronological episode order. I'd still give it to Zallow, Anakin at this point is still noticeably pre-prime.

Except he has a physical strength edge over her which is particular effective against Makashi along with a form advantage.

Ven Zallow

I don't see Ventress as of season 1 defeating or holding her own against Decieved Malgus.

Zoltan do u have the quote

Originally posted by Total Warrior
Isn't Season 1 set only a few months after AotC ? I think Ven would beat AotC Kenobi, so , unless Kenobi has improved significantly between AotC ans Season 1, I couls still see him beat Ventress.

Not sure. Its certainly been some time into the war considering Anakin has his scar and is no longer a Padawan.

Beni said 7 weeks iirc

Originally posted by |King Joker|
Zoltan do u have the quote

What quote?

Nm, gottcha:

"You'll have to do better than that," he said.

"And you'll have to learn to keep your mouth shut." She leaped around the column from the other side. Her blade missed his head by a fraction as he ducked, and sent a cloud of dust sparkling from the stone. Kenobi raced away. She pursued.

He's not invincible. He couldn't take Fett. But he's not trying this time.

Ventress wouldn't trust Kenobi as far as she could spit.
—The Clone Wars

There's a quote about Kenobi fending off Ventress in TCW Movie easily or something I thought you had?

Edit: Ah, gewd.

Fair enough then Joker.

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