Palpatine - cheating corporeal death and abilities outside a corporeal vessel

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Yes, we do know that he'll return. Second, you can't exactly broke none of that wasn't just going on inside your head. It's like saying that vision of Vaylin in the cave actually TK'd the Outlander because everyone else can. Visions are visions.

Valkorion apparently tested the Outlander:

"You may still go... if you survive."

"In the other... you die alone, unmourned and forgotten. I have brought you here to taste that defeat."

"Pitiful. Why did I believe that you could change anything?"

"That was fraction of the pain my children could inflict. If you do not finish your training--become something greater--you will feel the full weight of their rage."

"I cannot stay to protect you any longer. There are matters to which I must attend... but I will leave you with a final token of my favor."

"Fulfill your destiny and I promise to return."

"You can exist outside my head? Where are you going--and why?" (Outlander)

"It is pointless to explain. You will understand when the time comes."

- Unless you assume that the Outlander experiences during the trials were all fake? His connection with the Force was not strengthened?

Official description:

Visions in the Dark introduces a darker, more ominous story as the Outlander’s battle intensifies both within his Alliance and the Eternal Empire itself. In this chapter, the Outlander must face the Immortal Emperor Valkorion and confront the truth of his destiny…

I shot out another reply last page if you missed it, LeG.

How does any of that show this wasn't happening in the Outlander's mind?

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I created the blog: http://comicvine.gamespot.com/profile/s_w_legend/blog/cheating-corporeal-death-and-abilities-outside-a-c/126610/

Time for critics to bend the knee. 😮‍💨

And remember Legend, if anyone ever concedes to you on anything they have therefore bent the knee and is therefore wrong in any argument with you ever from then on.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Again, thats a possession-related ability. It's not much different from what Sidious did to Brand, no?

Originally posted by NewGuy01
There did seem to be some sort of explosion-y thingie when he revived, but if I'm honest I don't have any idea what actually happened or why in that particular case.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
I thought it was agreed upon that the scene in question was only within the Outlander's mind.

This time, it was real.

Otherwise, the Outlander's bond with the Force was not strengthened.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Mhm.

Another observation: Just like Marka Ragnos and Exar Kun, Vitiate also chose to bind his vulnerable spirit to a temple after his voice was destroyed. From this I can infer two things. One is that, at least pre-Ziost, Valkorion is very similar to Sidious in his reluctant to remain unbound for long periods of time. Two, it's possible that like Exar Kun, Valkorion channeled his power through the temple to achieve some of his feats on Yavin IV.

Yes, (pre-Ziost) Valkorion was seemingly reluctant to remain unbound for a long period of time after suffering setbacks earlier. He arrived on Yavin 4 to recuperate and recover in time.

Originally posted by NewGuy01
Please do share if you find anything relevant.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
How does any of that show this wasn't happening in the Outlander's mind?

Satele Shan and Darth Marr confirm Valkorion's actions and also confirm that Vaylin was a vision.

Valkorion is an entity, you can't expect him to be logical and mortal with his abilities.

No. This time, it was real.

Otherwise, the Outlander's bond with the Force was not strengthened.

Not necessarily. The change could have been in mind rather than body; both seem to be connected to one's bond with the Force. Alternatively, there's nothing to say that his physical body wasn't affected by Valkorion's gift while the Outlander was trapped in his own mind.

This is also an interesting observation. However, nothing implies that Valkorion channeled his power through the Temple to achieve some of his feats on Yavin 4.

You're right, it's only an inference based on visuals and similar situations with Exar Kun. But unless there's contrary evidence, I don't think anything invalidates it as a claim.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
So how would you explain the Outlander experiencing winds, being knocked unconscious twice, attempt to call for help during the ordeal and experience vision of Vaylin in the cave? Its all acting?

Satele Shan and Darth Marr confirm Valkorion's actions and also confirm that Vaylin was a vision.

Valkorion is an entity, you can't expect him to be logical and mortal with his abilities.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Because it's all happening in their head and Satele and Marr are puppets.

An alternative explanation then is that the Outlander *actually* wakes up in reality after he falls unconscious in his mind.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
I am not buying it.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Bending the knee is a phrase relevant for Valkorion, not Palpatine.

You think that only you can come up with phrases?

Because the phrase is commonly used by me, which means you're paying far too close attention to me.

I find your idolatry and imitation uncomfortable.

I was wondering when this argument would be finally made, perhaps I'll post my thoughts.

Yeah, that still doesn't get into why they're impersonators, and no, it really doesn't. Their failures against the Eternal Empire's unlimited army shouldn't make them want you to take said unlimited army. If anything, they should want you to destroy it.

👆

Satele didn't lose to the Sith Empire, turn around and say "you know what we need? More rage."

In the game files they are labeled Marr Imposter and Satele Imposter. And Marr flat out tells you that you need to take the throne, and it's your destiny. That and the Force's will needs a commander, which just happens to be you. Not like Valkorion at all.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
That's cool. Your explanation for why no one noticed Valkorion throwing around trees?

"What is this? Another illusion? (The Outlander)

"The time for fantasy is over. What happens now is quite real." (Valkorion)

As for the Outlander's friends not noticing; they were inside the building and busy in making plans for an offensive operation. The Outlander left them and ventured somewhere deep in to a forest to seek advice from Valkorion. When Valkorion became aggressive, the Outlander attempted to contact his friends but Valkorion sabotaged all communication efforts.

I accept your concession in advance, my friend.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
In the game files they are labeled Marr Imposter and Satele Imposter. And Marr flat out tells you that you need to take the throne, and it's your destiny. That and the Force's will needs a commander, which just happens to be you. Not like Valkorion at all.

Yeah, Valkorion also said what was happening in Chapter 2 was real, so forgive me for not giving a shit about anything he's ever said ever.

No, there really isn't.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Yeah, Valkorion also said what was happening in Chapter 2 was real, so forgive me for not giving a shit about anything he's ever said ever.

However, Valkorion asserted that illusions can kill, which is also true.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
No, there really isn't.

Originally posted by S_W_LeGenD
Valkorion admitted that he was casting illusions for the Outlander in Chapter 2.

However, Valkorion asserted that illusions can kill, which is also true.

"Dreams don't frighten me."
"These are not illusions."

Hmmm.

Check the dictionary.

But I'll do you one better and post definitions.

im·pos·tor
imˈpästər/Submit
noun
noun: imposter
a person who pretends to be someone else in order to deceive others

impersonator
[im-pur-suh-ney-ter]

noun
1.
a person who pretends to be another

So as you would say, I accept your concession in advance, my friend.