Darth Traya/Darth Sion vs. Darth Vader/Darth Caedus

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Darth Traya/Darth Sion vs. Darth Vader/Darth Caedus

Can the grandson/grandfather Sith Lords triumph over Kreia and the undead??

Force sabers all out

Unles Sion gets his feelings hurt he resurrects until his opponents grow exhausted and pass out or die of old age.

Traya solos.

I'm not sure Vader/Caedus can kill him. Sion was considered immortal in a time when Nihilus had the power to raze worlds.

But depending on the environment there are other ways for Vader/Caedus to neutralize him without having to kill him and Scion won't be able to do anything back.

Team 2 mid difficulty

You mean in that same time where (in cut-content and the original script) Nihilus kills Sion effortlessly?

When did Nihilus ever kill Sion?

Originally, Sion is meant to nearly kill the Exile on M4-78, her party and Traya all think she died, Sion breaks his alliance with Nihilus and Nihilus kills him. Traya goes to convert Atris and Atris betrays her, cutting off Traya's hand and taking the moniker Darth Traya. The Exile returns to everybody's amazement and cleans house with everybody that is left, rescuing her party from the original Traya on Malachor V, yay the day is rescued.

In the cut-content mod, Sion doesn't die because they couldn't save enough of the content to completely rebuild the original storyline, you can still find Nihilus wrecking him on YT, they just modded it so Sion walks away.

TL;DR there were a few different ways the game went, that was how it would have gone before Obsidian cut M4-78 and revamped the story to rush it out in time for christmas, because Lucasarts wanted xmas dollarz.

I know about all this stuff but never heard Nihilus is supposed to permanently kill Sion.

Who wins

My apologies, Nihilus killing Sion comes from the GenoHaradan sidequest on Nar Shaadha, Sion sees the base you are in explode so he and your party assume you died; then Traya tries to take on Atris as an apprentice and Atris kills her, becoming the new Darth Traya. At the same time this happens:

https://youtu.be/IobIhctxRXg

Unfortunately that ending to the game was too incomplete to restore, so the above was modded to make Sion walk away instead of die.

In all seriousness, Vader already learned how to defend against drain while he was still Anakin. I suppose it's never been proven that Caedus did, but I would be incredibly surprised if someone who was so obsessed with learning about esoteric Force techniques never bothered to find out about the power. It's not like Force drain is some sort of bizarre esoteric art that nobody knows about - Luke recognized when Krayt was using it on him and Abeloth, for example, and yet he didn't really die or get affected that much beyond being somewhat injured. And quite frankly, Krayt being able to drain Abeloth enough for it to affect her is a vastly superior feat to killing three featless Jedi masters. If Force drain were some sort of insta-kill move, Krayt would just use it on everyone, and Talzin could have just insta-killed Sidious.

I know Traya claims that her drain has "no defense", but she's a weakling and, quite frankly, is a pathological liar.

Sion is fodder; just cut his head off or disintegrate him.

Beyond those esoteric hacks, Traya and Sion, both of whom were combatively inferior to the Jedi Exile that got trashed by Nyriss, are obviously nothing next to Vader and Caedus.

Kek @ the conditional drain resistance that doesn't actually work on the Dark Reaper within a certain radius, having any effect on Triumvirate tier Drain.

^ ofc "Truimvirate tier Drain" that can kill three featless Jedi masters can work on Vader and Caedus.

I see Vader easily choking Galen's father in TFU, Vader can neck-snap Palpatine confirmed.

That isn't the point, you claimed Ulic's band-aid resistance to drain makes Caedus immune to it.

Skywalker line wins of course.

OK fair point.

Lol at people thinking either of the 2 could take on Vader much less caedus who is a top 3 sith.