Re: Darth Tyrannous gauntlet
Originally posted by Rebel95
1. Plo Koon
10/10, clearly enough
2. Darth Maul
3. Obi Wan Kenobi
9-10/10, clearly enough
4. Darth Malgus
9-10/10, I don't think Malgus has ever matched Dooku's lifting of the stone orbalisks, and even if he has, Dooku is uniquely talented in interweaving Force moves into lightsaber combat (see his simultaneous tooling of Obi Wan and Anakin in RotS). With a saber of course he just outstrips Malgus in every possible way.
5. Galen Marek
3-4/10. He eventually wins in a pure lightsaber contest, but Marek's Force feats are insane. Marek probably cannot ragdoll Dooku outright, but he can survive long enough with a saber to take advantage of his superior TK, lightning, repulse, maelstorm, etc.
5. Mace Windu
2-3/10. Dark Rendevous suggests that they're equals on neutral ground, but I'd give Windu the edge with vaapad by RotS - IIRC he was still improving the form throughout the Clone Wars. Plus a peak performance Windu is scary.
6. Knightfall Vader
2-3/10. Anakin was holding back when his every blow was "[aging Dooku] a decade". I don't believe that Knightfall Vader is as emotionally compromised as his Mustafar incarnation, but that's the 2-3/10 shot for Dooku.
7. Yoda
0/10. Yoda and Sidious are pretty enormously above Dooku IMHO, look at Sidious vs. pre-vaapad Windu.
Re: Re: Darth Tyrannous gauntlet
Malgus 4/10 - I think Malgus is less skilled, but he would make Dooku's job a lot harder with his strength. A force fight won't go in Dooku's favor. This fight could go either way, but I think Malgus has the slight edge.
Windu 5/10 - still can't decide...
Vader 3/10 - Dooku can still take 3 rounds due to Anakin's overall stupidity. Dooku is more clever and experienced, he did manage to fight him and Kenobi at the same time and f*** with his mind after all (despite the outcome that Sidious brought).
Yoda - 0/10 cause Yoda doesn't get ragdolled by Sidious.
Originally posted by The Ellimistgood point
look at Sidious vs. pre-vaapad Windu.
Why do you say that Malgus would beat Dooku in a Force fight? Tyranus's casual lifting of those twelve massive stone orbalisks was incredible, as was his ability to casual ragdoll Obi Wan while simultaneously kicking Anakin to the curb. He's extensively studied sith hplocrons under the most powerful Sith Lord of all time, created illusory projections of himself, and disarmed three night sisters with lightning at the same time while drugged (IIRC). I think he has quite the pedigree in Force ability to at least force a duel, where Malgus's feats and accolades begin to pale in comparison.
I also don't think that brute force alone poses a challenge to Dooku - people use the Anakin mismatch, but Anakin was also a very technically skilled swordsman and I don't think Malgus has Skywalker's raw strength or strength in the Force to replicate RotS. Dooku still routinely trashed Grievous, for example.
Originally posted by The EllimistThere is no question that Dooku could combat Windu's Vaapad. He has already outfenced Windu before and he disarmed Sora Bulq (also a Vaapad specialist) very easily.
^ he's a Sith Lord, so he necessarily draws upon the dark side, which implies hate/anger/etc. That he has an aristocrat's demeanor doesn't change the Force energies he gives off.