Originally posted by Kotor3
Fisk. Unless you have Daredevil's skills and his armored suit you are not beating Fisk in a fist fight.Fisk was not trying at all to hurt Frank. He definitely could have strangled Frank to death if he wanted to especially in Frank's condition. H2h definitely goes to Fisk.
He wasn't trying to kill Frank but he definitely was trying to hurt him. Pummeling someone repeatedly while they're chained and have already been battered isn't exactly a love tap.
Originally posted by FrothByteI guess your correct he was trying to hurt him but I took that to mean a warning to Frank not a hurt so as to damage him. It did settle him down.
He wasn't trying to kill Frank but he definitely was trying to hurt him. Pummeling someone repeatedly while they're chained and have already been battered isn't exactly a love tap.
Frank would definitely put up a good fight but it just no way I see him winning in a pure h2h. Fisk is just to strong and powerful.
Originally posted by Kotor3
I guess your correct he was trying to hurt him but I took that to mean a warning to Frank not a hurt so as to damage him. It did settle him down.Frank would definitely put up a good fight but it just no way I see him winning in a pure h2h. Fisk is just to strong and powerful.
Frank also wasn't trying to end Fisk. And while Fisk may be stronger, he doesn't have the skills and durability feats of Frank.
Originally posted by Adam GrimesHis strength and power. Daredevil can't beat him without the suit. When fist grab Matt over the table, Matt could not do anything the same way when Fisk lift up Frank with one hand and slam him down.
What makes you think he's so far above Frank?
He his not far above Frank but enough to not lose h2h.
Originally posted by FrothByteI don't know how you got that Frank was trying to end Fisk. First Fist let him hit him a couple of times before striking back.
Frank also wasn't trying to end Fisk. And while Fisk may be stronger, he doesn't have the skills and durability feats of Frank.
After Fisk strike back it was clear to Frank that he was going to be able to do anything at that moment.
Frank may be more skilled but Fisk is not just some brute otherwise it would have been easy for Daredevil to defeat him. Unlike Daredevil Frank does not have the mobility to escape Fisk brute strength long enough to win the fight.
It would be a good battle but not one is which Frank could win h2h. I mean come on we are taking h2h. Give Frank a weapon and then I say Frank.
Originally posted by Kotor3
I don't know how you got that Frank was trying to end Fisk. First Fist let him hit him a couple of times before striking back.After Fisk strike back it was clear to Frank that he was going to be able to do anything at that moment.
Frank may be more skilled but Fisk is not just some brute otherwise it would have been easy for Daredevil to defeat him. Unlike Daredevil Frank does not have the mobility to escape Fisk brute strength long enough to win the fight.
It would be a good battle but not one is which Frank could win h2h. I mean come on we are taking h2h. Give Frank a weapon and then I say Frank.
Frank hit Fisk and didn't follow up despite Fisk being within striking distance even with chains. That's why I said that Frank also didn't seem like he was going to end Fisk.
Also, you're focusing too much on just power. Frank has more skill, more speed and more durability. Plus Frank is pretty powerful himself. You could see the difference in strength between him and DD in his first fight.
Plus, Frank is probably more brutal and tenacious. He'd probably resort to biting or poking eyes out.
Originally posted by FrothByteAll the things you said about Frank shows that he is a good fighter. You still have shown how he would be beat Fisk in h2h. His first fight with Daredevil he lost as had to resort to using a gun. The second fight he only won because Daredevil never fully recovered from the head shot.
Frank hit Fisk and didn't follow up despite Fisk being within striking distance even with chains. That's why I said that Frank also didn't seem like he was going to end Fisk.Also, you're focusing too much on just power. Frank has more skill, more speed and more durability. Plus Frank is pretty powerful himself. You could see the difference in strength between him and DD in his first fight.
Plus, Frank is probably more brutal and tenacious. He'd probably resort to biting or poking eyes out.
Fact is Frank cannot beat Daredevil in h2h. Daredevil barely beat Fisk with his suit on.
Frank may be more skill but Fisk is not without skill. If Fist grabs Frank, Frank is not getting out of the grab. Frank is not as agile or skilled as Daredevil.
So no I don't see Frank winning.
Daredevil and Punisher seemed to be peers in terms of overall close combat ability. All their initial fights were very evenly balanced. In their last fight, both had a bit of wear (Frank had seen a lot of action in prison, Matt had taken a beating from Nobu + the poison arrow through the shoulder etc.) and weren't necessarily that motivated (Frank was more focused on the Blacksmith, and Matt was mostly just trying to talk him down), but Matt had the reinforced gauntlets/helmet that time (which he hadn't had in their previous encounters), which seemed to tip the balance a bit. At least that's how it seemed to me.
Originally posted by Kotor3
All the things you said about Frank shows that he is a good fighter. You still have shown how he would be beat Fisk in h2h. His first fight with Daredevil he lost as had to resort to using a gun. The second fight he only won because Daredevil never fully recovered from the head shot.Fact is Frank cannot beat Daredevil in h2h. Daredevil barely beat Fisk with his suit on.
Frank may be more skill but Fisk is not without skill. If Fist grabs Frank, Frank is not getting out of the grab. Frank is not as agile or skilled as Daredevil.
So no I don't see Frank winning.
Their first fight Frank almost knocked out DD. DD only recovered because Frank walked away and left him alone. Rewach the fight.