Well, there are people who do debate fairly. The issue is that it often feels like this is more the KMC Poster Versus forum than the Movie Versus forum. So the characters in question actually become a secondary matter in the battle of egos. A lot of threads end up becoming little more than flame wars because of it. But eh, guess I am just an over-optimistic fool, because I keep diving back into the fire. 😆
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Well, there are people who do debate fairly. The issue is that it often feels like this is more the KMC Poster Versus forum than the Movie Versus forum. So the characters in question actually become a secondary matter in the battle of egos. A lot of threads end up becoming little more than flame wars because of it. But eh, guess I am just an over-optimistic fool, because I keep diving back into the fire. 😆
Originally posted by NemeBro
Not tossing him around. Lifting him (while he was fully armoured) by the neck and over his head with one hand.I don't think people appreciate how insanely strong that is. There isn't a human being alive who could replicate that as far as I'm aware.
Is this a strength competition or a fight? Ask yourself this: Who do you think would win in a fight between Baleman and DD?
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerThen don't list two seasons worth of feats.
You should really watch the show yourself, because I am not listing 2 seasons worth of feats for these guys, just to give you a more informed perspective on the scaling.To elaborate in one area, you can only appreciate the damage soak thing if you actually watch the show and witness the unbelievable amounts of punishment these guys can take. For example, Bats landing on Bane's knee totally took him out of that fight. Punisher takes a 15-20 foot drop off a water tower, lands spine first on the edge of a metal roof, bounces off and falls another 10+ feet, and gets back up and keeps fighting like nothing. And we see how DD & Frank affect each other with hits, how they affect normal people, and how they affect Fisk, so we can work out how tough he is based on that. But again, unless you have actually watched the show, no amount of explaining is going to help.
List the best ones.
What is Fisk's best strength feat, and if he doesn't have any particularly impressive feats what is the best strength feat of the strongest character he overpowered?
Bats landing on Bane's knee took him out of the fight after Bats spent the entire rest of the fight taking punches from a guy who broke a mask designed to withstand a glancing blow from a bullet, before having his spine nearly broken. The levels of force isn't comparable. By feats, Bane hits harder based on everything I've looked up and been shown. 👆
"No amount of explaining", lol, get out of here with that bullshit, just link the best strength feat by a character Fisk can be powerscaled off of or of Fisk himself.
Originally posted by FrothByteStrength and toughness are just about the only things Fisk has going for him, so it is effectively the only relevant trait to be discussed since basically everyone has admitted that Bane is faster.
Is this a strength competition or a fight?
Daredevil appears to actually have some level of fighting ability beyond brawling, and while I am pretty confident that Baleman is physically stronger than Daredevil, Daredevil's enhanced senses and probably superior speed (I say probably because a lot of Baleman's sluggishness is frankly a result of pretty bad choreography, and I can't recall any feats of note) could net him the win.
But see, Fisk doesn't have speed on Bane. He doesn't have fighting ability. And frankly, he doesn't have strength or endurance on him either.
Based on everything said in this thread, all I've seen, and everything I've been told by my friend who has watched the series, Bane would dominate Fisk in hand to hand. He'd literally kill him.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Fisk was slower than DD, but could still land plenty of hits. And DD can catch/dodge arrows, aim dodge and flip through automatic fire, casually dodge multiple shurikens tossed at him etc.
Fisk also took repeated blows from those billy clubs, with which we see DD easily one-shot KO people in S2 on several occasions, even just with tosses. Not to mention the several other hard blows he takes (he took Matt's blows about as good as Frank has IMO). During his prison fight with Frank, he also took a heavy combo of hits that would have been enough to heavily rock Daredevil and likely at least briefly knock him down (based on the fights between Matt & Frank) and barely stumbled. And people who have in fact actually watched the show know just how tough those two are, so Fisk showing a comparable ability to take their hits should be a good indication of how tough he is.
As for strength, he was a lot stronger than Matt, who himself could pick up and throw Fisk relatively easily. He also flipped a huge marble table in s1, while pissed, and also decap'd a guy with a car door. And in season 2 he was bench pressing several hundred lbs before meeting with Frank, and was barely breathing hard afterwards.And what's more, Bane fought a old, beaten-up, out-of-retirement Batman, so it isn't even like he fought Bruce at his prime, like Ra's did.
Pretty spot on
Originally posted by NemeBro
Then don't list two seasons worth of feats.List the best ones.
What is Fisk's best strength feat, and if he doesn't have any particularly impressive feats what is the best strength feat of the strongest character he overpowered?
Bats landing on Bane's knee took him out of the fight after Bats spent the entire rest of the fight taking punches from a guy who broke a mask designed to withstand a glancing blow from a bullet, before having his spine nearly broken. The levels of force isn't comparable. By feats, Bane hits harder based on everything I've looked up and been shown. 👆
"No amount of explaining", lol, get out of here with that bullshit, just link the best strength feat by a character Fisk can be powerscaled off of or of Fisk himself.
Well, he can bench press this much, and didn't seem particularly worn out afterwards.
Also, the point of bringing up Daredevil's speed is to show that if Fisk can tag a guy who is faster than either TDKR Batman or Bane, then he will have less trouble tagging either of them. And also, while Fisk seems slower relative to Daredevil, that doesn't automatically mean he is slower than Bane.
As for a high end strength feat of someone else to scale off of, Matt could do this. Now the billy club did play some part (if nothing else, it would have made throwing Nobu somewhat easier than if he had grabbed him by the neck with his hand), but a good chunk of that was Matt's strength:
And Matt, while seemingly a bit stronger in season 2 than in season 1, is still not close to Fisk's equal in strength.
Originally posted by FrothByte
Batman and Bane are both pretty slow fighters. That has always been the problem with the TDK trilogy. As far as choreography goes, Fisk is portrayed faster than Bane.
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Christopher Nolan did an excellent job building a convincing world filled with likable characters, tense moments, and the story telling was top notch...
BUT, the choreography of the combat scenes left something to be desired; that could have been done better...
Batman didnt kick @ss as well as I would have liked; this is the one area where Snyder's Batman outdid Nolan's...
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerAll right, those look like 45 pound plates on the barbell, so combined with the bar (assuming a standard 45 pounds) that would put the weight just under five hundred pounds.
Well, he can bench press this much, and didn't seem particularly worn out afterwards.Also, the point of bringing up Daredevil's speed is to show that if Fisk can tag a guy who is faster than either TDKR Batman or Bane, then he will have less trouble tagging either of them. And also, while Fisk seems slower relative to Daredevil, that doesn't automatically mean he is slower than Bane.
Impressive? Of course it is.
But men who can bench press five hundred pounds can't lift the Thomas Inch Dumbell, which is 178 pounds and has a thick grip that is hard to get a hold off. Not as heavy as an armoured Baleman, nor is its grip as thick as Baleman's armoured neck. Yet Bane lifted him above his head (this is more difficult than bench-pressing by the way) and easily walked with him.
Fisk can tag a guy who is faster than them because he's tough enough to withstand his blows. Baleman and especially Bane are stronger than Daredevil. Bane hits much harder than Daredevil or Fisk.
Sure, what makes him slower than Bane is that I watched the video and he's clearly slower than Bane.
Bane can catch a punch from Batman. Not block (not that I saw Fisk doing much of that either), catch.
Has Fisk shown reflexes or fighting speed on that level?
Originally posted by TheVaultDwellerTo be blunt, I have no idea if this feat is physically possible (technically neither is Bane's neck lift of Batman because Bane simply isn't heavy enough to keep himself from falling), much less how impressive it is. If someone more knowledgeable in physics like dadudemon were to look at it they might be able to give an idea, but I don't really know. Gut instinct is it isn't as good as bench-pressing five hundred pounds or the Batman neck lift, nor the Liam Neeson one-armed curl.
As for a high end strength feat of someone else to scale off of, Matt could do this. Now the billy club did play some part (if nothing else, it would have made throwing Nobu somewhat easier than if he had grabbed him by the neck with his hand), but a good chunk of that was Matt's strength:And Matt, while seemingly a bit stronger in season 2 than in season 1, is still not close to Fisk's equal in strength.
Originally posted by FrothByteDo you have some scene of Fisk's I haven't seen?
Batman and Bane are both pretty slow fighters. That has always been the problem with the TDK trilogy. As far as choreography goes, Fisk is portrayed faster than Bane.
Because Fisk is slow. He only gets hits in by powering through DD's blows and bull rushing him. I frankly haven't seen anything to indicate he is faster than Bane.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
As for a high end strength feat of someone else to scale off of, Matt could do this. Now the billy club did play some part (if nothing else, it would have made throwing Nobu somewhat easier than if he had grabbed him by the neck with his hand), but a good chunk of that was Matt's strength:
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And Matt, while seemingly a bit stronger in season 2 than in season 1, is still not close to Fisk's equal in strength.
