Originally posted by FreshestSlice
There are four protagonists per faction, and none of these ops are cross-faction and have no reason to be, so no, it will never be all eight. It will be at most four, only two of which are actually Force Sensitive, which is a big deal, and the rest are all no names. That's only if you believe all the best of the best just happened to be willing to go anyway.
1.) As I recall, Oricon was one of the cases where the Jedi and Sith worked together story-wise? I wonder if there was any indication in SOR about how that went down. LeG?
2.) That depends entirely on how you define best of the best. I would think mooks aren't being sent to defeat the most powerful Sith in the galaxy (at the time), but they don't necessarily need to be protag-level Jedi across the board either.
Losing to that kind of strike team does not put you in the higher ups in the slightest.
I had a feeling you would misunderstand what I meant there; losing to that team doesn't necessarily make you strong, but losing to that kind of team doesn't exactly mean you're not a monster either. Vader almost lost to eight Jedi on Kessel, and only one or two of them was really impressive.
The Dread Masters are obviously impressive, but you don't need to be as powerful as Valkorion to solo them, given that they lose to teams comprised mainly of unknowns.
Well, I mean, a strike team of unknown Jedi killed Freedon Nadd as well. And again; a strike team should have an easier time of defeating them than an individual. Dealing with being attacked in six directions by powerful Sith Lords is much harder than dividing and conquering with a team.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
1.) As I recall, Oricon was one of the cases where the Jedi and Sith worked together story-wise? I wonder if there was any indication in SOR about how that went down. LeG?
2.) That depends entirely on how you define best of the best. I would think mooks aren't being sent to defeat the most powerful Sith in the galaxy (at the time), but they don't necessarily need to be protag-level Jedi across the board either.
I had a feeling you would misunderstand what I meant there; losing to that team doesn't necessarily make you strong, but losing to that kind of team doesn't exactly mean you're not a monster either. Vader almost lost to eight Jedi on Kessel, and only one or two of them was really impressive.
Well, I mean, a strike team of unknown Jedi killed Freedon Nadd as well.
And again; a strike team should have an easier time of defeating them than an individual. Dealing with being attacked in six directions by powerful Sith Lords is much harder than dividing and conquering with a team.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Nope. The only time the Jedi and Sith actively work together is SoR. They may have not killed each other on Oricon, but they definitely weren't working together. The closest you get it having a few Republic troopers defect to the Empire.
Hm, fair point then.
Although, wasn't a team of Sith telepathically interfering with the Dread Masters during the OP either way?
The protaqs aren't even "the best of the best" half the time, suddenly Satele is the Empire's greatest enemy before KotFE if you're an Imperial,
Yeah, I feel the inconsistency there. I would still consider them to be the best of the best in a general sense, though; I can't think of anyone but Satele that might beat them.
unless you're playing them, and the Jedi or Sith sending nondescripts to go fight anything is the definition of mook.
Well, no, because they're the Republic's greatest champions...
That's if you actually find Legends Vader comparable to Obi-Wan relatively right after Mustafar, and as one of the few people who don't lowball him, I doubt you do. Otherwise, I don't see the comparison. We see how the truly powerful in TOr handle strike teams like this, Revan, where he has to actively work against himself for them to even have a chance.
1.) From the sounds of it, though, you do. So why are you trying to dodge the point?
2.) For them to even have a chance? I have my doubts about that, given that even the mookiest of them survived the encounter. In the only in-game situation where killing one or two off could have been possible.
It sure is, but then you have one Jedi and a few troopers doing the same thing, and while I want to believe the people with fleet level telepathy were somehow caught off guard, I'm more inclined to believe that the Dread Masters are simply overrated.
Eh... But.... Ee... I... 😕
How could six lords personally valued higher than Dark Councillors by Vitiate for their power be mooks? And that's prior to their exposure to Phobis Devices... That hardly adds up.
But they do. They can raise the dead, conjure massive force storms, perform near-unparalleled alchemy, teleport, grow in size.... An Esh-ka siphoned a small portion of power from a single Dread Master and then casually obliterated a huge statue merely by throwing someone into it. They're hundreds of years old and better versed in sorcery than anyone not named Vitiate.
Originally posted by NewGuy01
Hm, fair point then.Although, wasn't a team of Sith telepathically interfering with the Dread Masters during the OP either way?
Yeah, I feel the inconsistency there. I would still consider them to be the best of the best in a general sense, though; I can't think of anyone but Satele that might beat them.
Well, no, because they're the Republic's greatest champions...
1.) From the sounds of it, though, you do. So why are you trying to dodge the point?2.) For them to even have a chance? I have my doubts about that, given that even the mookiest of them survived the encounter. In the only in-game situation where killing one or two off could have been possible.
Eh... But.... Ee... I... 😕How could six lords personally valued higher than Dark Councillors by Vitiate for their power be mooks? And that's prior to their exposure to Phobis Devices... That hardly adds up.
I just don't understand peoples reasoning. What will Obi-Wan do when one Master is blasting him with lightning, another is attacking him with TK, another in mind****ing him, another tosses their saber at him and the other two go for some bizarre sorcery Kenobi's never even seen? Other than die.
Who can defend against 6 Force users of this caliber attacking you at once? You'd really have to be in the upper tiers for it to be remotely plausible. I don't think people are grasping it in practical terms.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
One Jedi knight goes in and defeats them all with randoms as back up, but they probably take Vader because reasons.
Obviously Freshest, I mean this guy was a Jedi Knight and he had backup from a Republic Special Forces team!
I mean Vader certainly hasn't killed Jedi Knights or any Special Forces teams before....certainly not!
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Not any from TOR, which is the high point of all Jedi Knights. Jedi Knights were all progressively worse from TOR onward.
Yeah there weren't any Jedi Knights of notable skill or anything at any later time, how silly that they managed to last so long afterwards is just silly!