For the newer versions, Beast would beat him senseless for a while, but the second Sabes gets a fatal hit, he's screwed. That healing factor comes in real handy in situations like this. At best, Beast could hope for a KO, but Sabes hasn't been shown to be a susceptible to that as Wolverine.
Not as sure about the older versions since X1 Sabes never showed a healing factor, but thats an older argument from before the newer Sabes came in putting the argument to rest. No reason the healing factor wouldn't carry over to his older version, so he wins for the same reason as the first.
R1 beast has a chance to win, since beast got upgraded in DOPF whilr Sabes got downgraded. Then again, with his speed, HF, claws and ferocity, Sabes should win more often than not.
R2 is a mismatch. X3 beast wss pretty fast, agile and strong but dorsnt havr much in strength or durability feats unlike x1 sabes. Hes a sliw one for sure but his overwhelming physical advantage will.make up for it. And he want too slow either. Oh abd he had a HF too. Logan stabbed him several ti.es but he waled it off
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
R1 beast has a chance to win, since beast got upgraded in DOPF whilr Sabes got downgraded. Then again, with his speed, HF, claws and ferocity, Sabes should win more often than not.
R2 is a mismatch. X3 beast wss pretty fast, agile and strong but dorsnt havr much in strength or durability feats unlike x1 sabes. Hes a sliw one for sure but his overwhelming physical advantage will.make up for it. And he want too slow either. Oh abd he had a HF too. Logan stabbed him several ti.es but he waled it off
X3 beast was leaping high and throwing ppl around. id say his strength was on par with x1 sabe
People are also aware of the fact that X3 Beast is the same one as DoFP Beast, just a few decades older, right? So same guy, but, based on his build, a lot more buff, and a lot more experienced (based on his age). And remember, DoFP Beast completed all his really notable feats before the change in the timeline at the end of DoFP, so those feats would still also be canon for his older counterpart. Also, in DoFP, young Beast tossed Logan around like a sack of potatoes.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
People are also aware of the fact that X3 Beast is the same one as DoFP Beast, just a few decades older, right? So same guy, but, based on his build, a lot more buff, and a lot more experienced (based on his age). And remember, DoFP Beast completed all his really notable feats before the change in the timeline at the end of DoFP, so those feats would still also be canon for his older counterpart.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Also, in DoFP, young Beast tossed Logan around like a sack of potatoes.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
For the newer versions, Beast would beat him senseless for a while, but the second Sabes gets a fatal hit, he's screwed. That healing factor comes in real handy in situations like this. At best, Beast could hope for a KO, but Sabes hasn't been shown to be a susceptible to that as Wolverine.Not as sure about the older versions since X1 Sabes never showed a healing factor, but thats an older argument from before the newer Sabes came in putting the argument to rest. No reason the healing factor wouldn't carry over to his older version, so he wins for the same reason as the first.
Pretty sure he did have one in x1... Wasn't he stabbed twice by Wolverine in their final fight but was still fighting on? I'd say he healed some
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Yes, I am well aware of those feats, and never said Beast is stronger than Creed. I was just pointing that out after you claimed that he doesn't have much strength feats.
I disagree on it being a mismatch. Creed showed better strength, but Beast's agility and speed in X3 was much greater than what Creed displayed. He is likely stronger, but Beast was flipping and hopping around like a maniac, and one/two-shotting anyone who got close, so Creed is going to have a hell of a time landing any solid hits. I can see Creed winning in the end, but he is not going to have any kind of easy time of it. To me, a mismatch would be like the Cap/Bucky vs Doom fight, where Doom can fry them with lightning before they could even get close to him. Or the bizarre Iron Man vs nuRoboCop match from a while ago, where Tony can just spam projectiles from the air.
And I know younger Creed did display better agility, but we never see the same level from the X1 version, whereas Beast's speed/agility levels are consistent in all the films.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
I disagree on it being a mismatch. Creed showed better strength, but Beast's agility and speed in X3 was much greater than what Creed displayed. He is likely stronger, but Beast was flipping and hopping around like a maniac, and one/two-shotting anyone who got close, so Creed is going to have a hell of a time landing any solid hits. I can see Creed winning in the end, but he is not going to have any kind of easy time of it. To me, a mismatch would be like the Cap/Bucky vs Doom fight, where Doom can fry them with lightning before they could even get close to him. Or the bizarre Iron Man vs nuRoboCop match from a while ago, where Tony can just spam projectiles from the air.And I know younger Creed did display better agility, but we never see the same level from the X1 version, whereas Beast's speed/agility levels are consistent in all the films.
Guess we will have to agree to disagree. But then, according to your own criterea here, your Deadpool/Ajax vs Dukes/vs Zero/vs Wade are all mismatches (the team had absolutely no realistic shot of winning any of those), as well as a number of CotT threads you made, where you pit guys like Perseus and Ares against opponents who don't have a snowball's chance in hell of even hurting them, or taking repeated blows from them in return.
So, to me, calling something a mismatch when the one guy can at least give the other guy a decent fight before losing is a very slippery slope.
Originally posted by TheVaultDweller
Guess we will have to agree to disagree. But then, according to your own criterea here, your Deadpool/Ajax vs Dukes/vs Zero/vs Wade are all mismatches (the team had absolutely no realistic shot of winning any of those), as well as a number of CotT threads you made, where you pit guys like Perseus and Ares against opponents who don't have a snowball's chance in hell of even hurting them, or taking repeated blows from them in return.So, to me, calling something a mismatch when the one guy can at least give the other guy a decent fight before losing is a very slippery slope.
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
Most of those threads were those I did not believe to be mismatches but you guys did. In the Ajax Wade thread, the only guy the team wouldn't be able to put down was blob, and frankly, I put him there as a joke.
The first Perseus and a thread was made to gauge his levels since I didn't want to put him against high tier ones. The next one was a 50/50 thread Same goes for Ares
The only one I think was a mismatch was Zeus and Hades vs RS and WS, and I admitted I made a fool out of myself by making that thread. I overestimated WS too much 😮
In some of those, you pitted them against people like Bourne or Machete. C'mon dude, we both know you're smart enough to know that Perseus would paste those guys in less than a minute.
And as to the Ajax/Deadpool thread, based on feats, Beast could give Creed a better fight than Deadpool and Ajax could against Blob, Zero or Wade. Zero can draw and fire at basically superhuman speeds (just look at the scene when Stryker and Zero come to visit Logan at the lumber yard and Zero shoots his cigar). He could headshot both Wade and Ajax before they could pull the trigger. And Origins Wade would slice them both to bits before they could mount any kind of assault (the guy casually handles close range machine gun fire, from 8 different guys at once), and of course, neither of those two are doing anything against a guy who can take tank shells. So again, if Beast vs Creed is a mismatch, based on that same criterea, so are the others I mentioned.