Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Superman has super reaction. He was looking at the direction Arthur was coming out of with the "What was that" statement and Batman explains what he hit Arthur with. Aquaman comes out of the fire talking before he hits Superman who was behind Wonder Woman and Batman. So he charged at him before a reaction.
Maybe it comes as a surprise for you but Superman doesn't always expect punches from his friends.
Arthur couldn't surprise a weakened Superman recently.
He later Reacts to Wonder Woman's lasso and then charges her in the page after.
Duh. Is that supposed to be impressive? He can run in a straight line for bullcharging?
It's more you downplaying several instances because your logic went from being questionable to being proved wrong..
Aquaman's been able to process/perceive the movements of speedsters, react to Speedsters and keep up with Speedsters while swimming. Yet he can't run at those speeds. You suggested characters haven't been shown to have super speed without being to run at said speeds a lot of the stuff I posted disagrees.
Rogues do that all the time. Even Deathstroke does.
I'm not going to call them speedsters.
They have enhanced reflexes than normal humans, that's it.
It's cute how you ignore the fact Barry is running at Superspeed above water or the scan of him swimming next to characters running at super speed.
And He gets surprised by Arthur coming out of nowhere and still dodges him?
Yeah, that's a speed feat for Aquaman.
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Originally posted by abhilegend
Maybe it comes as a surprise for you but Superman doesn't always expect punches from his friends.Arthur couldn't surprise a weakened Superman recently.
Duh. Is that supposed to be impressive? He can run in a straight line for bullcharging?
Rogues do that all the time. Even Deathstroke does.
I'm not going to call them speedsters.
They have enhanced reflexes than normal humans, that's it.
And He gets surprised by Arthur coming out of nowhere and still dodges him?
Yeah, that's a speed feat for Aquaman.
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Did you even read the book? When did Superman dodge him? Aquaman sent him flying and Supes was gone for about 6 pages.
The next page shows him charging at Wonder Woman with a light trail color of his chainmale. What do you chalk that up to of not Superspeed.
The Rogues never really often tag Flash directly when running they normally go for area affect I mean when tagging him. Capt. Cold needing a absolute zero forcefield to prevent being tagged. Deathstroke doesn't perceive there movements either he predicts where they'll be I hope the difference is understood.
It has nothing to do with running. Think of charging as building momentum in a leap and then setting off. Instead of jumping upwards he jumps like you suggested more in a straight line going forwards.
I see that you didn't bring up the scans though of Aquaman swimming next to a Flying Superman and Wonder Woman as well as a running Dark Flash. What do you chalk that up to being?
Originally posted by abhilegend
Why are we posting stuff from video games as a proof?
My point was that in other forms of media Aquaman just the same has been presented to react to speedsters.
It was to show its not rare and it made itself present in other forms of media, I wasn't using it to suggest by this alone Aquaman has shown to be a Speedster. That's in the stuff I posted before the media links.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Did you even read the book? When did Superman dodge him? Aquaman sent him flying and Supes was gone for about 6 pages.
Wow, 6 pages? An average Atlantean did that to him by surprise as well. The point was that even he can be surprised.
It's just to boost characters up "OMG, he punched Superman away."
He couldn't do that to a depowered Superman who claimed Arthur was a hundred times stronger than him.
Superman doesn't always operates at superspeed. That's not how the character operates.
The next page shows him charging at Wonder Woman with a light trail color of his chainmale. What do you chalk that up to of not Superspeed.
Artistic flair? Nearly every street level character has been drawn so.
The Rogues never really often tag Flash directly when running they normally go for area affect I mean when tagging him.
Wow, so many negatives in one sentence? "Never really often"? What does that even means?
Capt. Cold needing a absolute zero forcefield to prevent being tagged. Deathstroke doesn't perceive there movements either he predicts where they'll be I hope the difference is understood.
Are you sure you have read anything with Deathstroke?
Because that's straight BS.
It has nothing to do with running. Think of charging as building momentum in a leap and then setting off. Instead of jumping upwards he jumps like you suggested more in a straight line going forwards.
I'm not talking about running. I'm talking about doing complex things with speed. Nearly any super-powered character in comics possesses some enhanced reflexes.
That's not the same as having genuine superspeed. You're not going to get a description of Aquaman as a Speedster.
That's not who he is.
I see that you didn't bring up the scans though of Aquaman swimming next to a Flying Superman and Wonder Woman as well as a running Dark Flash. What do you chalk that up to being?
Swimming? Fish do that all the time.
I'm not going to call them a Speedster.
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Originally posted by abhilegend
Wow, 6 pages? An average Atlantean did that to him by surprise as well. The point was that even he can be surprised.It's just to boost characters up "OMG, he punched Superman away."
He couldn't do that to a depowered Superman who claimed Arthur was a hundred times stronger than him.
Superman doesn't always operates at superspeed. That's not how the character operates.
Artistic flair? Nearly every street level character has been drawn so.
Wow, so many negatives in one sentence? "Never really often"? What does that even means?
Are you sure you have read anything with Deathstroke?
Because that's straight BS.
I'm not talking about running. I'm talking about doing complex things with speed. Nearly any super-powered character in comics possesses some enhanced reflexes.
That's not the same as having genuine superspeed. You're not going to get a description of Aquaman as a Speedster.
That's not who he is.
Swimming? Fish do that all the time.
I'm not going to call them a Speedster.
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Vulko? Did you read the comic. Superman was right above Vulko there's no charging towards someone your right next to. He punches Superman and then Superman return the next panel. Aquaman punches Superman and then Clark is gone for 6 pages comes back asking where's Batman who got taken down in the previous page.
Aquaman was holding back against Truth Superman. He even told Clark to "take a fall" pretty much saying to feint being KO'd because he didn't want to harm him.
I'll give the Superman doesn't always operate at super speed a pass though but the idea of it being a cheap shot is silly or a surprise attack given Aquaman was talking before he hit Clark.
He's charging above water. To be able to move on top of water requires some quick level of movement.
Look at the image he charged at Wonder Woman she braced in one of the panels for impact but didn't react to said charge showing she saw him coming. The distance is pretty notable that they charged to as well.
I read "Identity Crisis" one of the famed instances of Deaths trow taking on a team of Leaguers. He didn't perceive Wally though he predicted where he was going to go to and had his sword their waiting for Wally. What instance are you speaking of though in deeply curios.
Fish swim at Hypersonic speeds? Or have you ever seen one keep up with a flying Superman and Wonder Woman in a hurry or a running Flash.. By that logic humans run, Dogs run, Deers run what makes Flash special? I'll answer that because I'm trying to prevent some response that comes off a bit silly. It's the speeds he runs at same with Aquaman who doesn't come off running at said speeds but has been shown to move and travel at great speed.
So just as to clear, why are we talking about Aquaman here?
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Vulko? Did you read the comic. Superman was right above Vulko there's no charging towards someone your right next to. He punches Superman and then Superman return the next panel. Aquaman punches Superman and then Clark is gone for 6 pages comes back asking where's Batman who got taken down in the previous page.
Maybe you should read the comic? Superman is hone about four or five pages. Just like Ultraman punching him off screen.
It's what Johns does to get Superman out of action.
Aquaman was holding back against Truth Superman. He even told Clark to "take a fall" pretty much saying to feint being KO'd because he didn't want to harm him.
Heh, reading only parts of the comics, are we?
I'll give the Superman doesn't always operate at super speed a pass though but the idea of it being a cheap shot is silly or a surprise attack given Aquaman was talking before he hit Clark.
Yes, like Clark regards Arthur as an enemy who is going to punch him.
Get real.
He's charging above water. To be able to move on top of water requires some quick level of movement.
Below Mach 1.
Look at the image he charged at Wonder Woman she braced in one of the panels for impact but didn't react to said charge showing she saw him coming. The distance is pretty notable that they charged to as well.
Yeah, he bullrushed her through a harbor. Rhino has bullrushed at more than 100 mph.
Must be faster than Flash.
I read "Identity Crisis" one of the famed instances of Deaths trow taking on a team of Leaguers. He didn't perceive Wally though he predicted where he was going to go to and had his sword their waiting for Wally. What instance are you speaking of though in deeply curios.
You know Slade has like a dozen fights with Flashes, right?
More than almost anything Arthur can claim. To make the claim that it's always anticipation is BS of highest order.
Fish swim at Hypersonic speeds? Or have you ever seen one keep up with a flying Superman and Wonder Woman in a hurry or a running Flash..
That's sarcasm for you. Superman, Diana or Flash don't go full throttle against Aquaman. When they do, they leave people like Arthur in water.
Pun intended. Speed is not like strength that you can't help but punch at a level only.
By that logic humans run, Dogs run, Deers run what makes Flash special? I'll answer that because I'm trying to prevent some response that comes off a bit silly. It's the speeds he runs at same with Aquaman who doesn't come off running at said speeds but has been shown to move and travel at great speed.
A simple sarcasm is too much for you.
Sigh. Aquaman doesn't gets Superman's feats because once he swam while Superman was going really slow. That's not how it works.
Aquaman's best quantified speed feat in a straight line is 20000 feet per second which royally ****ed him up.
Superboy can run faster than that on foot. Heck, Streaky the super cat and Beppo the super monkey can run faster than that.
Originally posted by abhilegend
So just as to clear, why are we talking about Aquaman here?Maybe you should read the comic? Superman is hone about four or five pages. Just like Ultraman punching him off screen.
It's what Johns does to get Superman out of action.
Heh, reading only parts of the comics, are we?
Yes, like Clark regards Arthur as an enemy who is going to punch him.
Get real.
Below Mach 1.
Yeah, he bullrushed her through a harbor. Rhino has bullrushed at more than 100 mph.
Must be faster than Flash.
You know Slade has like a dozen fights with Flashes, right?
More than almost anything Arthur can claim. To make the claim that it's always anticipation is BS of highest order.
That's sarcasm for you. Superman, Diana or Flash don't go full throttle against Aquaman. When they do, they leave people like Arthur in water.
Pun intended. Speed is not like strength that you can't help but punch at a level only.
A simple sarcasm is too much for you.
Sigh. Aquaman doesn't gets Superman's feats because once he swam while Superman was going really slow. That's not how it works.
Aquaman's best quantified speed feat in a straight line is 20000 feet per second which royally ****ed him up.
Superboy can run faster than that on foot. Heck, Streaky the super cat and Beppo the super monkey can run faster than that.
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OK..? so he's gone for one less page... must of been counting the page he got punched it's pretty irrelevant he was gone for a considerable amount of action all the same. Whether it's Johns technique in getting Superman out of the picture or not it happened all the same in the comic doesn't really change that fact.
You do remember why the Trinity showed up in the harbor in TOA right? You do remember that Batman is the one to pull the first move in that instance as well right? There's no reason to assume Aquaman coming out of that Potassium ignition yelling wasn't about to get physical but whatever helps you sleep mate.
It's not the fact that he charged Wonder Woman though it's the fact that she didn't react when he charged her. You'll try to downplay that though and I'm curious to what you'll end up turning it to. "Well Wonder Woman and Aquaman are friends despite her trying to lasso him she wasn't obviously trying to hurt him" I'm expecting some BS like that, right?
Feel free to post any of these fights Slade has with Flash's where he's perceiving and reacting to speedsters rather then predicting where they'll be. I'm aware of Infinite Crisis as a fight that's often brought up but I'm losses with these other ones so I'd be curious to see them especially since your referencing them so much but have yet to provide anything scan wise.
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What Aquaman can claim is that he moves at speeds fast without running he's actually claimed to be faster on land with the pressure off which makes sense. He's stated as faster then Slade and he's told Slade that his atlantean reflexes were superior to that of his.
I didn't suggest Aquaman = Superman because Aquaman is swimming next to Superman flying who are all in a hurry to get to a meeting. What I suggested is Aquaman is obviously traveling at considerable speeds to keep up given Flash depiction of how he's running. If I did though want to make a comparison though there's the image where they are charging at the villain and Aquaman keeps pace. There's Pre-Crisis Aquaman who Superman had trouble keeping up with at sea and Aquaman stated and showed he was faster at sea there's Pre-Crisis stuff like dodging cloud to ground lightning from Aquaman as well he still doesn't run at those speeds.
In regards to the 20,000 ft per second statement "f..king him up" your aware that water is 832 times more dense then air? In the images it stated he was at pressures equivalent to 800 atmospheres I believe so it's not just the speed screwing him up its the fact he's moving at those speeds under that amount of pressure and strain. He simply got the bubbles in that instance.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
.....OK..? so he's gone for one less page... must of been counting the page he got punched it's pretty irrelevant he was gone for a considerable amount of action all the same. Whether it's Johns technique in getting Superman out of the picture or not it happened all the same in the comic doesn't really change that fact.
Change what fact? That Arthur was able to surprise Superman?
You do remember why the Trinity showed up in the harbor in TOA right? You do remember that Batman is the one to pull the first move in that instance as well right? There's no reason to assume Aquaman coming out of that Potassium ignition yelling wasn't about to get physical but whatever helps you sleep mate.
Last I checked Batman is not Superman. So?
It's not the fact that he charged Wonder Woman though it's the fact that she didn't react when he charged her. You'll try to downplay that though and I'm curious to what you'll end up turning it to. "Well Wonder Woman and Aquaman are friends despite her trying to lasso him she wasn't obviously trying to hurt him" I'm expecting some BS like that, right?
Are you really this stupid? He bullrushed her through a harbor by already developed momentum. That's it.
Why and how she didn't try to stop him is irrelevant. That doesn't makes her faster than her.
Rhino can bullrush Spider-Man. Doesn't means he is faster or even as fast.
Feel free to post any of these fights Slade has with Flash's where he's perceiving and reacting to speedsters rather then predicting where they'll be. I'm aware of Infinite Crisis as a fight that's often brought up but I'm losses with these other ones so I'd be curious to see them especially since your referencing them so much but have yet to provide anything scan wise.
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That's why I said you have never read anything about Deathstroke.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t532260.html
Go there and educate yourself.
Aquaman saying something doesn't means much when Slade made a clown of both him and Hal in the same issue.
What Aquaman can claim is that he moves at speeds fast without running he's actually claimed to be faster on land with the pressure off which makes sense. He's stated as faster then Slade and he's told Slade that his atlantean reflexes were superior to that of his.
Your obsession with inserting Aquaman is reaching disturbing level at this point.
And Slade has been stated to be faster than Flash where it counts.
Aquaman>Slade>Flash.
What's this, comicvine?
I didn't suggest Aquaman = Superman because Aquaman is swimming next to Superman flying who are all in a hurry to get to a meeting. What I suggested is Aquaman is obviously traveling at considerable speeds to keep up given Flash depiction of how he's running.
Stick to a point.
If I did though want to make a comparison though there's the image where they are charging at the villain and Aquaman keeps pace. There's Pre-Crisis Aquaman who Superman had trouble keeping up with at sea and Aquaman stated and showed he was faster at sea there's Pre-Crisis stuff like dodging cloud to ground lightning from Aquaman as well he still doesn't run at those speeds.
I want the issue number for that Aquaman pre crisis scene.
You are claiming that Superman, who casually travelled faster than light had trouble keeping up with Aquaman? I don't know whether to laugh at you or pity you.
In regards to the 20,000 ft per second statement "f..king him up" your aware that water is 832 times more dense then air? In the images it stated he was at pressures equivalent to 800 atmospheres I believe so it's not just the speed screwing him up its the fact he's moving at those speeds under that amount of pressure and strain. He simply got the bubbles in that instance.
Yeah and Superman goes around in black holes and stars at lightspeed and beyond.
But nothing like coming out of the water though. That trumps all.
Enough about inserting Aquaman everywhere though. If you want you can create your own thread and wank him there all you want about this Superman level strong, Flash level fast Aquapac.
srsly
Originally posted by abhilegend
Change what fact? That Arthur was able to surprise Superman?Last I checked Batman is not Superman. So?
Are you really this stupid? He bullrushed her through a harbor by already developed momentum. That's it.
Why and how she didn't try to stop him is irrelevant. That doesn't makes her faster than her.
Rhino can bullrush Spider-Man. Doesn't means he is faster or even as fast.
That's why I said you have never read anything about Deathstroke.
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f98/t532260.html
Go there and educate yourself.
Aquaman saying something doesn't means much when Slade made a clown of both him and Hal in the same issue.
Your obsession with inserting Aquaman is reaching disturbing level at this point.
And Slade has been stated to be faster than Flash where it counts.
Aquaman>Slade>Flash.
What's this, comicvine?
Well, obviously you are. In one breath it's Superman is struggling to Keep up with Arthur and then Arthur is not equal to Superman.Stick to a point.
I want the issue number for that Aquaman pre crisis scene.
You are claiming that Superman, who casually travelled faster than light had trouble keeping up with Aquaman? I don't know whether to laugh at you or pity you.
Yeah and Superman goes around in black holes and stars at lightspeed and beyond.
But nothing like coming out of the water though. That trumps all.
Enough about inserting Aquaman everywhere though. If you want you can create your own thread and wank him there all you want about this Superman level strong, Flash level fast Aquapac.
srsly
I wish you would use common sense and stop rewording my post. When did I suggest either Aquaman or Slade were faster then Flash. Ironically you stated Slade fought Flash several times and you have yet to provide anything with him perceiving a running Flash and reacting to said running Flash. I didn't suggest Aquaman was on part with a running Flash no character often is really. What I did suggest is Aquaman has reacted to speedsters as well as kept up with them and I provided the showings in scan form.
You tried some silly attempt to suggest Slade > Aquaman in reflex/speed and by statements and even showings that's not true as well.
Already developed momentum? So he did a full 360 retained momentum and charged her? Explain that for me because I'm curious to how you plan on suggesting he used momentum to charge Wonder Woman. It would of been more logical just to ignore the showing since you have no reasoning behind to downcredit it.
Any movement beyond possible human speeds is considered super speed. If Rhino can bullrush Spiderman that doesn't suggest he's as fast it just suggest he's fast enough to tag him. Which is my point with Aquaman which is a weird comparison since Rhino is running and in my examples Aquaman doesnt. Aquaman's fast enough to react/percieve/charge/jump at super speeds he just doesn't run at the speeds he does the other things.
Action Comics 366. Superman notices someone dressed up as him. Saving people at sea. In the issue he looses him because he let a school of fish pass and then when they did Aquaman was completely gone. Superman suggest he's moving at Super speed and even believes he's Kryptonian. It's a comicbook aka fictional world though there's no reason to get worked up about characters capabilities.
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You stated that characters that have superspeed run fast and if they can't they don't have superspeed I simply disagreed and used someone I was knowledgeable about to show you your wrong. It has nothing to do with wanting to bring Aquaman into a thread to be honest I dislike doing it because I usually have one of these arguments with someone making repetitive statements about a character they tend to show they have not much knowledge on.
Originally posted by abhilegend
A parting gift though.So fast and strong...............
In regards to that issue I excuse it because it's early Post-Crisis Aquaman it happened like Issue 5 or something of his 90s run later in the same storyline he beats up Superboy probably would know that if you read the story... :/
Later in Post-Crisis continuity he gets better feats then that though. Pretty much every character gets better feats over time.
In regards to getting the bends that has nothing to do with durability really it's your oxygen in your body kind of exploding is the best way I can describe it.
Originally posted by EcstaticGraceAction Comics 366. Superman notices someone dressed up as him. Saving people at sea. In the issue he looses him because he let a school of fish pass and then when they did Aquaman was completely gone. Superman suggest he's moving at Super speed and even believes he's Kryptonian. It's a comicbook aka fictional world though there's no reason to get worked up about characters capabilities.
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Are you ****ing serious with this? Superman slowed down because he didn't want to hurt some fish and that's Superman struggling to keep up with Aquaman?
GTFO.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
In regards to that issue I excuse it because it's early Post-Crisis Aquaman it happened like Issue 5 or something of his 90s run later in the same storyline he beats up Superboy probably would know that if you read the story... :/Later in Post-Crisis continuity he gets better feats then that though. Pretty much every character gets better feats over time.
In regards to getting the bends that has nothing to do with durability really it's your oxygen in your body kind of exploding is the best way I can describe it.
Yes, because Superboy almost drowned due to lack of air.
Yeah, its his best speed feat till date and random speedsters can get faster than that.
Your flash level aquaman only exists in your head. And on Comicvine I guess.
Originally posted by abhilegend
Aquaman didn't become stronger than that.Yes, because Superboy almost drowned due to lack of air.
Yeah, its his best speed feat till date and random speedsters can get faster than that.
Your flash level aquaman only exists in your head. And on Comicvine I guess.
He had feats before the instance like fighting Amazo. In Panic in the Sky fighting characters that can go toe to toe with Superman, fighting a monster who absorbed the powers of Superman (Page though), fighting Piscator (1985 Suicide Squad run).
Even after the fact his brief trading blows with Lobo, Oneshotting Olympian, Taking a blast that Ko'd Orion, Even in a later showing holding back Superboy with his hook hand, or overpowering an All-Knowing which one beat up Powergirl.
Then looking at 90s Superboy even his recent Convergence showing going up against KC Superman would suggest he probably got better. So it's a cute attempt to down credit the character based on one early instance where Superboy downs him.
I showed you feats which is more then I can say for you. It's just your ignorance prevailed and you chose to look at whatever you wanted compared to everything else. By the end of the day my point wasnt Aquaman has Flash like speed it's he's showed Superspeed without running at said speed. Which you suggested characters can't do so all together your wrong in a plenty amount of ways.
