Anakin Skywalker vs. Exar Kun [Sabers Only]

Started by FreshestSlice2 pages

Or you can read what is actually said in this thread. Why even ask such a dumb question?

Palpatine didn't give him an amp, Anakin was holding himself back before Palpatine interjected.

Just incase you missed it, Ellim:

Again, what people underestimate is the inner conflict. As Palpatine described it in Rise of Darth Vader, Anakin was "between worlds". He hadn't completely given himself to the dark side, and you can see that in the movie--he still has regrets, he's not all the way into this evil gig until after Padme's death and his maiming at Obi-Wan's hands.

That inner conflict weakens him, dulls his edge so to speak. Just like it did when he fought Luke in Return of the Jedi, as referenced by Dave Filoni. It's also referenced in LotS, where Vader basically says he's stronger than he was despite his physical ailments because he fully entered that world. That's why Filoni calls those years approaching ANH Vader's peak, because it's before he realizes he has a son and that conflict comes back up inside him.

To contrast with that, Anakin embraced the dark side fully when he fought Dooku. He wanted to kill Dooku, and Palpatine gave him the permission he needed to cross that line. It did cause him some troubles down the road, but not during the fight.

👆 That is dark-side Anakin though. Not sure if he counts for your typical vs. debate? IDK if he'd be as powerful if he "embraced the light side".

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Or you can read what is actually said in this thread. Why even ask such a dumb question?

Circumstances, not all fights are the characters at 100% thats why im asking.

Also yes before Palpatine interjected, which means yes it was an amp/emotional mindset. Palpatine gave him the proper motivation to embrace the side that would help.

That is not what amp means. 😬

amp = amplifiers does it not? I mean thats what I usually get from that.

Nexus amp, Force amp.....

amps are made to make a character stronger or better in some way.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
👆 That is dark-side Anakin though.

Anakin's always skirted the dark side; it's a question of whether or not he's holding himself back out of fear in these VS matches.

Even if we were to assume that's the case, Anakin permanently lets go of that fear and restraint after Mace's death halfway through the book. If we're assuming peak incarnation, we wouldn't necessarily be looking at how he was on the Invisible Hand tbh.

Well, at that point he's Vader.

If it's necessarily a function of embracing the dark side, I do wonder how Galen Marek and Revan are more powerful as light siders. As you alluded to, it may be more a matter of conviction and willpower.

Originally posted by TheDarthBoy
amp = amplifiers does it not? I mean thats what I usually get from that.

Nexus amp, Force amp.....

amps are made to make a character stronger or better in some way.


No, if it's their natural strength, and changing your mindset is not a change in natural strength, than it's not an amp.

So this is pre suit Vader than?

When I see Anakin in vs threads I see him at the Invisible Hand in ROTS. Which makes me wonder which mindset he is in.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
No, if it's their natural strength, and changing your mindset is not a change in natural strength, than it's not an amp.

Yes but you need to be in the proper mindset to use your power at its best do you not?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Well, at that point he's Vader.

If it's necessarily a function of embracing the dark side, I do wonder how Galen Marek and Revan are more powerful as light siders. As you alluded to, it may be more a matter of conviction and willpower.

I think the fact that they're stronger than they were originally as dark force users does stem from their conviction and willpower, yeah. Especially the conviction and willpower it takes to embrace the light from out of the darkness.

Then again, if you actually read the TFU novel and Galen's fight with Vader, when he slips and taps into the dark side he immediately overwhelms Vader for a moment too.

Originally posted by TheDarthBoy
Yes but you need to be in the proper mindset to use your power at its best do you not?

Which has nothing to do with whether something is an amp or not.

Kun.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Which has nothing to do with whether something is an amp or not.

Yes it does, he needed some sort of.....help and outside source to get him focused on the victory.

Which makes it an amp, as he didnt have the right mind to do this to beat Dooku as fast as he did.

Exar Kun is just too unpredictable.

^ lol

A peak performance Anakin eviscerates Exar in fifteen seconds.