Originally posted by Syndicate
First off I'll revise my statement of Malgus having superior power to having more consistent power.
Not really. He consistently only uses basic applications of TK in most of his fights. The exceptions are generally when he's pissed off, just like Anakin.
I'd say being able to choke either the HoT who ragdolled a weakened Vitiate or Nox who did the same to Thanaton is impressive enough to warrant placing Malgus above Anakin along with Anakin's own inconsistency.
Game mechanics are non-canon. Several warrior-type NPC's can choke the PC; if Malgus doing it can be considered canonical, so can several other nobodies (like Darth Soverus). If that's all true, then it's not really all that impressive in the first place.
In regards to skill I'd say his various accolades and apparently fighting flawlessly against the Strike Team in HoT's opinion is good enough to place him around Anakin's level as a duelist.
Nice cherry picking there, but that quote from the HoT only appears if the Knight PC defeats him alone. If the Hero can beat him alone, Malgus isn't nearly as impressive as Dooku, let alone Anakin.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Not canonically.
Right, because canon is the one where he Chokes HoT, Barsen'thor and one of the others without raising a finger, but instead of choosing to impale his helpless victims, he plays duck-duck-goose with the last non-Force sensitive, and he does something along these lines four bloody times and then gets knocked into the reactor.
It's a choice between Malgus losing to HoT solo or Malgus having brain cancer, Alzheimer's and every other mental disease in the book rolled into one.
Even if the Strike Team thing is canon, that only means Malgus was beaten by one, not that it required every ounce of their strength to take him down.
Considering it's stated that a team was sent to confront him, yes. 😐
Him doing it multiple times is likely a gaming abstraction, yes. Him doing it is a scripted event though. By the rules of this forum it's a valid feat. And it's moronic to think that he choked out both Force users at once and one of the others but not the last muggle. Theres no reason he couldn't choke them too really. Also him choking the HoT and Barsen'thor is ridiculous by itself. Obviously if he choked 3 of them it would be both muggles and 1 Jedi/Sith.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Considering it's stated that a team was sent to confront him, yes. 😐Him doing it multiple times is likely a gaming abstraction, yes. Him doing it is a scripted event though. By the rules of this forum it's a valid feat. And it's moronic to think that he choked out both Force users at once and one of the others but not the last muggle. Theres no reason he couldn't choke them too really. Also him choking the HoT and Barsen'thor is ridiculous by itself. Obviously if he choked 3 of them it would be both muggles and 1 Jedi/Sith.
Actually, he takes turns, so everybody gets choked and everybody gets to be the goose that he chases. The point is - the game mechanics are stupid and not worth taking into consideration. As a consequence, the only thing we know is that Malgus loses to them. Him hitting them with Lightning and TK is supposed to be them being off-guard, because it's pretty stupid for him to be able to do this to them with their defenses up.
So yeah, the only thing we know is that he lost to them. Not a big deal.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I already said it was a gaming abstraction that he does it multiple times, but not that he does it at all. And I said that it is a 100% valid feat according to the rules of the forum. End of discussion.
You just said it's outrageous.
Anyway, I know it happens, I'm just saying it's not worth taking into consideration. Or, we can accept it - and my verdict will change to: Malgus Chokes Anakin but gets distracted by R2 and chases him around (unsuccessfully). He then drops Anakin, who proceeds to kill him in combat.
The same dumb back and forths you get in every Malgus thread. Game mechanics aren't canon. Having a boss fight with repetitive stages doesn't imply canonicity. Several boss battles with much weaker Force users than Malgus include similar stages, Darth Soverus being the prime example.
Even if you were to assume that all of the relevant warrior bosses ragdoll the players--which would dramatically reduce the impressiveness of the individual feats via the Kenobi syndrome--it's still unusable by virtue of the lack of information. If assuming a team battle, we don't know who was ragdolled, whether or not they were even among the protags (as Freshest has aptly pointed out in past threads), or what the circumstances were. For all we know we could be looking at a Ventress/Savage situation. If assuming a solo battle, then it's entirely irrelevant considering he still lost to a protag in a one on one bout.
There's no winning for you here. Give it up already.