Star wars fleet V.S imperium fleet.

Here are the final arguments, I'd like to point out that lances are laser weapons.. And that mean, that if star wars ship are equipped with advanced magnetic hull shielding, the laser shot are going to bounce of the target with a 100% chance.
And lances are the only longue range engagement weapon that the imperium have.

Then they have macro canon, that are just big kinetic canon that work with canon powder, but they can fire all sort of nasty projectiles, but nothing to worry about, unless it is some plasma macro canon, but this is "ancient technology" like you good old toaster the adeptus mechannicus is not able to produce them anymore...
The projectile are slow enough to be destroy via some anti missile laser system or point defense system.

Then there is the nova canon of **** YOU BIATCH, a giant over powered rail gun that fire bombs at the speed of lights extremly deadly and powerfull but also higly innacurate du to a clear lack of tactical cogitator and an over reliance on semi sentient servitor. Cuz Grimdark.

Star wars ship are maybe slower than 40K ship but they also have a lower profile and are made for actual combat, I mean they are not churches in space. So they still have some 25% chance to don't get hit at midrange engagement and can survive a hit, An acclamator can survive only one hit but it will be still half functional.

Then they have their torpedo, well they are not going to hit any star wars ship soon.... except the vortex torpedos, but like all vortex weaponnary, it is "ancient technology". Fortunatly because those weapon can destroy an entire fleet in one shot.

There is all they bomb stuff that they can teleport via warp technology but warp etchnology is a bbit let's say random... They have bomb that destroy the shield, they have magna and plasma bombs, and tsasis bombs...

They have also gravitational weaponnary, but it is ancient technology, so do not worry about it.

They have plasma weaponnary, super powerfull and slow, but your know not really safe to use because there is a 10% chance to blow-up the ship by attemptimg to shoot with those, because grim dark, they either fight with flash light or they iether play russian roulette...
https://1d4chan.org/images/b/ba/Warhammer_Plasma.jpg

They have also some melting weaponnaory, it work a bit like the geonosian weapon in republic commando...

They fighter are big tough and not manoeuvrable, their bombers have some deadly rocket pod, but can only carry one torpedo, cuz te imperium cannot make an effective weapon that is not as big as your dick (within your imagination you dick is a way to mesure giant things.) One they fire they have to reload, they just cannot really zerg rush and nva flare the **** of everything they encounter like in star wars.

They also have some flak canons, the emperium is quite good at making ground auto-canon, but your see in space they are as worth as a world war II anti air gun emplacement on a battle ship.. except they have advanced targeting system.. But it is not a big deal... Just focus on using vulture droïds rather than x-wing and it will be fine.

Their ship are big and fast and are eqquipped with void shield, that are powerfull warp powered shield, but they are buble shield, even worse, any projectile that go under a certain speed can just go and ignore the void shield. Attack from behind Will guarantee and high chance of shield penetration, givene that star wars ship can go hyper space at will, and get behind them...

They cannot dodge all of the turbolaser bolt, they ship are too big for this.

+ The warhammer fan will claim that they win via boarding, but not every imperial battle ship carry adeptus astartes, so it will be likely the imperial guard assaulting the ship, rather than dude in terminator armor.
Compare to necrons chaos and eldar fleet the imperial fleet is just laughable.

Hmmm I'd say more if I weren't on my phone.

Most calcs give imperium ships the edge in firepower and other specs. What gives the Galactic Empire the edge is industry, numbers, and hyperdrive speed.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Hmmm I'd say more if I weren't on my phone.

Most calcs give imperium ships the edge in firepower and other specs. What gives the Galactic Empire the edge is industry, numbers, and hyperdrive speed.

It is not just about firepower it is also about tactic and weaponnary... And I have found that if turbolaser bolt are like shell from a WW II battle ship, that will be easly dodge by the imperium ships, I have found that it is decent compare to what the imperium could do to SW ship... At least turbolaser are going to hit. and slowly dammage the void shield...

But I also found that most of their weaponnary currently aviable to them (all the ancient technology excluded.) it is not they coudl really arm SW ship either,

A great way to discover how the imperium weaponnary work is to see it in action, so I've played some warhammer 40 000 battlefleet ghothic armada and I just laighed especialy when I discover that the micro warp jump technology was fairly limited within the lore so all the lightning strike micro warp jump and teleporting plasma/stais/magna/disruptive bomb via micro warp jump was accroding to the lore dude not operating as good as it does within the game...

Seriously star wars stop using laser after one dude fiured out that you could make your ship totaly imune to hit. Remember episode IV within the trash compactor? That is some magnetic shielded hull, it harder to make one that deflect blaster bolt, butfor laser? Sure (and that is how SW universe after retconning that blaster and turbolaser were not laser justify the non use of lser weaponnary...) If you forget about the nova canon that fire once every 40 second at best. Lances are the only accurate longue range weaponnary the imperium do possess... And Nova canon are more mid-range weapons, they lack accuracy.

Their torpedo can be super easly intercepted...

Etc etc... Star wars fletet of any faction (from Revan to sidious) should deal with the imperium fleet no problems after a few encounters they would easly devlopp an effective counter strategy.
What they should fear is the eldars and necrons, and also the chaos....

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Warhammer absolutely rapes any fleet Revan was in charge of.

Originally posted by Revanchiste
It is not just about firepower it is also about tactic and weaponnary... And I have found that if turbolaser bolt are like shell from a WW II battle ship, that will be easly dodge by the imperium ships, I have found that it is decent compare to what the imperium could do to SW ship... At least turbolaser are going to hit. and slowly dammage the void shield...

Turbolasers move pretty quickly. I don't think it's realistic to expect imperium ships to "dodge" them unless if they're being fired from extreme distances.

That being said, I do think that imperium ships outgun imperial ones by a fair margin one vs. one. But that doesn't really matter. The Galactic Empire is so much larger, has such a better FTL system, and has such superior industrial abilities that they can just swarm the IoM with numbers + base delta zeros. They can try to avoid direct fleet engagements unless if they possess a clear numerical advantage, which they almost always will not only because they literally have one, but also because their hyperdrive allows them to better mobilize and concentrate their forces, whereas the Imperium will have to disperse their fleet in order to defend their planets because they won't be fast enough to respond otherwise.

Seriously star wars stop using laser after one dude fiured out that you could make your ship totaly imune to hit. Remember episode IV within the trash compactor? That is some magnetic shielded hull, it harder to make one that deflect blaster bolt, butfor laser? Sure (and that is how SW universe after retconning that blaster and turbolaser were not laser justify the non use of lser weaponnary...)

This isn't true. A magnetic field can't just repel a laser of arbitrary strength. Turbolasers aren't even lasers as you pointed out anyway, seeing as how they don't possess any of the characteristics (they are visible even in space, they evidently don't move at lightspeed, etc.)

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Turbolasers move pretty quickly. I don't think it's realistic to expect imperium ships to "dodge" them unless if they're being fired from extreme distances.

That being said, I do think that imperium ships outgun imperial ones by a fair margin one vs. one. But that doesn't really matter. The Galactic Empire is so much larger, has such a better FTL system, and has such superior industrial abilities that they can just swarm the IoM with numbers + base delta zeros. They can try to avoid direct fleet engagements unless if they possess a clear numerical advantage, which they almost always will not only because they literally have one, but also because their hyperdrive allows them to better mobilize and concentrate their forces, whereas the Imperium will have to disperse their fleet in order to defend their planets because they won't be fast enough to respond otherwise.

This isn't true. A magnetic field can't just repel a laser of arbitrary strength. Turbolasers aren't even lasers as you pointed out anyway, seeing as how they don't possess any of the characteristics (they are visible even in space, they evidently don't move at lightspeed, etc.)

Turbolasers are actually lightspeed. What is seen is just a glowing pulse, which travels at less speed.

Like most energy weapons, turbolasers fire invisible energy beams at lightspeed. The 'bolt effect' seen when a turbolaser is fired is actually a glowing pulse that travels along the beam at less than lightspeed.

- Taken from Fact File 45

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Turbolasers are actually lightspeed. What is seen is just a glowing pulse, which travels at less speed.

Yeah that's one of Saxton's ideas that I'm sort of iffy on. He based this on the fact that turbolasers sometimes affected ships before their visible component seemed to hit them, but this doesn't always happen.

Regardless, if they're lightspeed weapons that only helps the Empire, but it doesn't mean they're lasers. Lasers wouldn't be visible in space.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Yeah that's one of Saxton's ideas that I'm sort of iffy on. He based this on the fact that turbolasers sometimes affected ships before their visible component seemed to hit them, but this doesn't always happen.

Regardless, if they're lightspeed weapons that only helps the Empire, but it doesn't mean they're lasers. Lasers wouldn't be visible in space.

Sound isn't heard in space, yet SW has it. 😛 But yeah, of course they aren't actual laser lasers.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Sound isn't heard in space, yet SW has it.

Pretty sure they've been explained as created by ship sensors.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Warhammer absolutely rapes any fleet Revan was in charge of.

On time I was thinking that so, but star wars fleets seem well eqquipped to face imperium fleet or even orks and chaos (without the help of any chaos god via mark of Slaanesh/Nurgles/Tzeench/khorne etc...).. But they still get rape by eldar and necron...

But here we are with the imperium fleet, the giant churches in space.... We are going with their regular weaponnary, no ancient technology bullshit that they cannot produce anymore.

"Turbolasers move pretty quickly. I don't think it's realistic to expect imperium ships to "dodge" them unless if they're being fired from extreme distances."

They can do that, with their lances, in fact many fight within warhammer happen at long lange, really long range, especialy in the case of the eldars fleets...

But the thing is... Magnetic shielding, some day, after the recton : "Blaster are not laser" one dude asked why they are not using laser, cuz you know space, hudge distance, and one otehr dude retconned, durasteel + magnetic shielding ! And he also explain that magnetic shielding can also work on blaster tech, like the star vypers in SW FoC, the walls of the second assault map in JKA multi player edition, other EaW and FoC units with teh proper research done, the interior of space ship and space station including a certain trash compactor...

So SW stopped using blaster tech, but they did not lost the "magnetic shielding" technology, some have even sucessfully improved to work with blaster, tech, I know that the word may be missleading, as we know planettary shield technology is based around a wall of plasma maintained by a magnetic field.

Originally posted by Zenwolf Turbolasers are actually lightspeed. What is seen is just a glowing pulse, which travels at less speed.

Dunno agree with that, that retcon sound awsome but do not work, looking at the material it cannot be apply....

Sound isn't heard in space, yet SW has it. stick out tongue But yeah, of course they aren't actual laser lasers.

This is for what we call drama...

Turbo laser are just hude big powerfull and some timerapid fire blasters....

But I'd rathe rlike to talk about space/air craft warfare, with the imperium big fat craft, armed with some big laser and some big auto canon with insane rapid fire rate.
Their bombers carrying super hudge torpedo (cuz you know unlike the eldar and the SW shenanigans they are not cappble of making small torpedo working against heavly armored capital ship...)

I don't believe for a second that there is or was any point in time where you looked objectively at anything regarding Revan.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
I don't believe for a second that there is or was any point in time where you looked objectively at anything regarding Revan.

First that is not the question, second yess and no... looking at Revan during the mandalorian war and Jedi civil war... It is part of the deal to look at him and be biase, he is the one that teach you how to be independ rise you above teh other but still keep you inchained attached to his orders, castrate you humilate you and laugh at your misery.. And you would still admire him... He will tell you that glory is the price of the fools, and still look like Jesus, being worth worship, he will abuse of his glory and promise you to join him within some glorious campaign, and you would still follow him...

He is a bit like Griffith in the manga Berserk. So of course it is hard to look at him objectivly. But Revan can basily solo the entire SW universe just by talking. Yhea he is that good at psychological warefare, he is like a gloriois great philosophical king, a great thinker, and strategist, I saw him like a glorious and reasonnable version of Kreia, after all, she was his teacher, and it is just normal that a part of a way of thinking touched Revan mind...

Anyway back to the topic. Let's talk starfighters shall we.. Next time MP me for that kind of bulsshit, good trolling is not necessarly made in public, espcialy if you aim at one person....

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Originally posted by The Ellimist

That being said, I do think that imperium ships outgun imperial ones by a fair margin one vs. one. But that doesn't really matter. The Galactic Empire is so much larger, has such a better FTL system, and has such superior industrial abilities that they can just swarm the IoM with numbers + base delta zeros. They can try to avoid direct fleet engagements unless if they possess a clear numerical advantage, which they almost always will not only because they literally have one, but also because their hyperdrive allows them to better mobilize and concentrate their forces, whereas the Imperium will have to disperse their fleet in order to defend their planets because they won't be fast enough to respond otherwise.

Tbh

Originally posted by deathslash
dear lord. You realize that in some of the imperium's lesser skirmishes, several billion soldiers are deployed right?

lmao so what? We know that the Empire has trillions of stormtroopers, but ground forces won't be the deciding factor here, not when the imperium has to contend with the same Empire that could construct a 900 km wide Death Star II in the outer rim in under a year. 👆

arguably faster travel.

ROFLAMO! Hyperdrives let star destroyers cross the entire galaxy in under a day, and without any of the shenanigans of the warp. Even though the imperium outguns the Empire pound for pound, they won't be able to do anything against the imperial starfleet, which can just mobilize and attack weak points of the Imperium at will, faster than they can possibly rally forces in defense.

The imperium has to not only deal with a number disadvantage, but also a speed disparity that will require it to disperse its navy incredibly thin. If they concentrate too much, they won't be able to move their forces to defend weak points in the empire quickly enough. The Empire with its hyperdrive has no such disadvantage; they can spam star destroyers and then guide them in concentrated attacks.

This isn't bringing in superweapons, of course.