Hawkman vs Black Panther

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Pretty sure he wasn't 100% and was using a portion of Isis power.

Black Adam: The Dark Age.. Right?

Batman said that Adam found a new way to change into black adam.

Faust says that he had the power of Black Adam running through his body when he was taking power from Isis.

Here, Adam himself says that he is able to channel the power of the gods through the magic in her bones.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7-9R7MI9bKA/VwyesV_-8VI/AAAAAAAAGcY/qdBB3PayFhUYVONoVaWedRaCrBD74JuSwCCo/s1600-Ic42/RCO002.jpg

So no, he wasn't weakened or channeling Isis' power.

NOT weakened? Didnt think that was a thing. 😂

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
That was NOT impressive IMO. Shows how depended he is on the nth.

Of course he's "dependant on his Nth metal" it's where his strength, durability, Healing factor, Flight, enhanced senses, energy absorption, striking power etc all come from.

Without his Nth metal he's a normal man who BP would slaughter.

Large amounts of Nth Metal in the hands of someone like Ominar Synn (who without would be mid herald) makes him trans tier. And HM beat him when the entire JSA failed (yes by using the larges piece of purest nth metal the claw of Horus to take over all Synn's Nth)

Remind me now where in the set up he is denied his standard gear (Nth) that he would normally have at the start of any fight?

Oh that's right it didn't

Well, BP without a magical herb, a miraculous metal, a fictional country, a billion dollar suit...isnt even Chadwick Boseman. 🙂

Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Isn't Nth metal embedded inside Hawkman or is that just a New52 team?

Regardless yeah he's a pretty tough guy don't see that helping with vibrancy based tech though. Regardless my point is its not a mismatch not that Panther beats Hawkman. Though I think Pre-Flashpoint it's more up in the air then it is with New52.

I've only read a few Nu52 HM issues so can't speak to that. Pre 52 the amount of Nth metal HM has in his entire gear is only a few grams and it definitely wasn't "embedded in him". It was laced through his belt. Frankly even the wings were only for show up until around infinite crisis IIRC.

BA wasn't "powered down" in any way in Black reign. Besides which it's not the only time HM has gone up against him alone

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_X11PasLIqo/UUMXBU-13II/AAAAAAAACu8/cIcXc5TkDDM/s1600/017-SUPER_POWERS_COMICS-BLACK_ADAM_VS_HAWKMAN+copy.jpg

Though granted that is DCAU line.

On top of which BA isn't the first 100+ tonner HM has tanked blows from. Capt nazi is another. Aquman ( that was another 5 page fight). Martian Manhunter. some of the times Superman has hit HM were without the claw.

Superman without the claw
https://comicsauthorityblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/jla-hawkman-and-superman.jpg
MMH
http://s1301.photobucket.com/user/Diabolu_BC/media/Bronze%20Age/AdventureComics451May-June1977.jpg.html
Aquaman
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3657191-2067124-hawkman_v3_015_18.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3657192-hawkman15pg17.gif
I suppose all these guy's were weakened right ??

If we go pre COIE he even went up against Grundy Solo
http://hawkfan.50webs.com/hallclasheswithgrundy.jpg

He's done it post COIE too. Plus in Inf Inc gone against both Fury and Nuklon (atom Smasher) when under the influence of the stream of ruthlessness.

HM has almost 50 years of tanking blows from high metas up due to the HF and durability of Nth metal ,but BP is going to to somehow do greater damage.

I might add all the feats I've posted are of solo fights not part of a team battle

Originally posted by riv6672
Well, BP without a magical herb, a miraculous metal, a fictional country, a billion dollar suit...isnt even Chadwick Boseman. 🙂

But not as Chadwick Boseman. Maybe Djimon Hounsou. 😛

Originally posted by beatboks
I've only read a few Nu52 HM issues so can't speak to that. Pre 52 the amount of Nth metal HM has in his entire gear is only a few grams and it definitely wasn't "embedded in him". It was laced through his belt. Frankly even the wings were only for show up until around infinite crisis IIRC.

BA wasn't "powered down" in any way in Black reign. Besides which it's not the only time HM has gone up against him alone

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_X11PasLIqo/UUMXBU-13II/AAAAAAAACu8/cIcXc5TkDDM/s1600/017-SUPER_POWERS_COMICS-BLACK_ADAM_VS_HAWKMAN+copy.jpg

Though granted that is DCAU line.

On top of which BA isn't the first 100+ tonner HM has tanked blows from. Capt nazi is another. Aquman ( that was another 5 page fight). Martian Manhunter. some of the times Superman has hit HM were without the claw.

Superman without the claw
https://comicsauthorityblog.files.wordpress.com/2014/01/jla-hawkman-and-superman.jpg
MMH
http://s1301.photobucket.com/user/Diabolu_BC/media/Bronze%20Age/AdventureComics451May-June1977.jpg.html
Aquaman
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3657191-2067124-hawkman_v3_015_18.jpg
http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/3/30145/3657192-hawkman15pg17.gif
I suppose all these guy's were weakened right ??

If we go pre COIE he even went up against Grundy Solo
http://hawkfan.50webs.com/hallclasheswithgrundy.jpg

He's done it post COIE too. Plus in Inf Inc gone against both Fury and Nuklon (atom Smasher) when under the influence of the stream of ruthlessness.

HM has almost 50 years of tanking blows from high metas up due to the HF and durability of Nth metal ,but BP is going to to somehow do greater damage.

I might add all the feats I've posted are of solo fights not part of a team battle

Originally posted by abhilegend
Incorrect. He was using Isis' power to turn back into Black Adam as his word was changed by Captain Marvel.

Batman said that Adam found a new way to change into black adam.

Faust says that he had the power of Black Adam running through his body when he was taking power from Isis.

Here, Adam himself says that he is able to channel the power of the gods through the magic in her bones.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-7-9R7MI9bKA/VwyesV_-8VI/AAAAAAAAGcY/qdBB3PayFhUYVONoVaWedRaCrBD74JuSwCCo/s1600-Ic42/RCO002.jpg

So no, he wasn't weakened or channeling Isis' power.

My mistake I assumed that because he wasn't operating under normal circumstances that he wasnt 100%. My fault thanks for the clear up.

I'm really proud of you guys. 3 pages and still not one mention of armbars and Silver Surfer.

Originally posted by Surtur
I'm really proud of you guys. 3 pages and still not one mention of armbars and Silver Surfer.

Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
You had to say it

I did, but I'm glad it got said in the way I said it as opposed to the alternatives of "well BP did this to Surfer so he tears off Hawkmans arm and beats him to death with it".

Originally posted by riv6672
NOT weakened? Didnt think that was a thing. 😂

😆 Who knew?

Originally posted by riv6672
Well, BP without a magical herb, a miraculous metal, a fictional country, a billion dollar suit...isnt even Chadwick Boseman. 🙂

Wrong, he's a beast without those things, Hawkman isn't. My point was not simply that Hawkman was kitted, it was that he's literally nothing without the it, hence the word dependant.

Originally posted by Surtur
I did, but I'm glad it got said in the way I said it as opposed to the alternatives of "well BP did this to Surfer so he tears off Hawkmans arm and beats him to death with it".

Hell still does that, though.

Nice dreams. In reality, Carter oneshots Panther.

Originally posted by abhilegend
Nice dreams. In reality, Carter oneshots Panther.

No, that's your reality. Big difference.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Wrong, he's a beast without those things

Sarcasm aside, any character without their gimmicks or powers, their -insert whatever they make their money on- is less than they are with them.
Your point is a point, it isnt a great one.

Anyhow, HM takes BP, in my (and a good number of other folks in this thread) opinion. All the double talk and deflection in the world's not changing that.

Originally posted by riv6672
Sure he is.

Sarcasm aside, any character without their gimmicks or powers, their -insert whatever they make their money on- is less than they are with them.
Your point is a point, it isnt a great one.

Anyhow, HM takes BP, in my (and a good number of other folks in this thread) opinion. All the double talk and deflection in the world's not changing that.

Well, feel free to consider my entire point I just explained in detail rather than just the portion of it you carved out. There's no double talk from me, BP would stomp him. Hawk is a retard compared to BP. On top of that, Hawk is one of the shittiest characters out there and that counts.

I'm glad we agree.

Originally posted by Blue Area Vet
Wrong, he's a beast without those things, Hawkman isn't. My point was not simply that Hawkman was kitted, it was that he's literally nothing without the it, hence the word dependant.

there are lots of characters that are "nothing" without their gear. the fact is in a forum fight everyone HAS their standard gear. its not like HM is going to stupidly tbrow it away. Nor is it likely that BP can remove it (espcially since he doesnt have knowledge to even know what to remove. i mean for a character hes never met he would assume the winga and possibly cut the harness. that would still leave the belt around Carter's waist that actually has the Nth).

despite being a JSA fanboy I cant stand Hawkman as a character. that doesnt mean i discount his feats, and his feats are that he fights heavy hitters for extended periods with great regularity.

given that his Nth laced mace can also strike with the force that it can, he can certainly do damage to BP while easily tanking the best T'challa can deliver for quite some time. he will heal from any injuries before they can trouble him