AG compares bathroom discrimination to Jim Crow And the south
AG compares bathroom discrimination to Jim Crow And the south
I think unfortunately the message is lost because the article has Ben Carson being the one saying comparing it to Jim Crow is silly lol. So you see you can see just by the comments on the article a lot of the stupid shit Carson has said has made people not take him seriously.
Though yeah, this new bathroom discrimination isn't even actually happening. There aren't people whose job it is to stand outside bathrooms and check to make sure you are using the right kind of bathroom. The law in North Carolina isn't even really enforceable.
Jim Crow had an ACTUAL effect on people lol. The worst thing to come out of the bathroom thing is some hurt feelings.
Originally posted by Robtard
There is discriminating happening in regards to transgender people and public restrooms, but yes, saying it's equal (if that was the actual argument) to what Black people went through after the end of slavery and through the Jim Crow years does a disservice to those people.
You know what you just said got me to thinking..have we actually heard stories of transgender people being discriminated against in public bathrooms? I realize people say the law in NC is discrimination, I'm just wondering about actual acts of discrimination. I'm sure they happen, but I guess I figure when they do it would be bigger news? Something people could point to and say "see what this law is doing".
Originally posted by Robtard
The law is the discriminating.
Okay so maybe you didn't actually read my full post. I just asked you for examples of transgender people suffering from this law. I did not ask you about the law itself. Like I said I'm sure they exist...I was just curious as to what the most egregious cases have been?
Oh and just out of curiosity what do you feel about the threats to pull funding over this law because it breaks "federal law" or some shit, but at the same time Obama said he'd veto anything to try to defund states with Sanctuary Cities, which I also think break the law technically?
Originally posted by Surtur
Okay so maybe you didn't actually read my full post. I just asked you for examples of transgender people suffering from this law. I did not ask you about the law itself. Like I said I'm sure they exist...I was just curious as to what the most egregious cases have been?
The law has not gone into effect, and the state is being sued to prevent it from being implemented.
Originally posted by Surtur
Oh and just out of curiosity what do you feel about the threats to pull funding over this law because it breaks "federal law" or some shit, but at the same time Obama said he'd veto anything to try to defund states with Sanctuary Cities, which I also think break the law technically?
Apples and oranges.
HB2 violates Title VII and IX of the Civil Rights Act.
"Sanctuary Cities" do not violate immigration law because mayors have discretionary authority with regard to enforcement.
So then the law thus far hasn't hurt anyone, and couldn't even really be enforced anyways if it did come into effect. Have I said anything incorrect?
Also btw, Sanctuary Cities do not violate any laws at all then? Or do you mean they only violate the law if a mayor decides to allow it or what? On what basis then did they want to pull funding from these cities(or states)?
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
The law has not gone into effect, and the state is being sued to prevent it from being implemented.Apples and oranges.
HB2 violates Title VII and IX of the Civil Rights Act.
"Sanctuary Cities" do not violate immigration law because mayors have discretionary authority with regard to enforcement.
When are you going to go through with your sex change?
Originally posted by Robtard
Surtur,"It hasn't affected anyone, yet." That's a silly dismissive stance, don't you thing?
I see, so it bothers you when people dismiss things for silly reasons? Yeah I definitely agree with you on that and just wish it'd bother you more often with other issues too, but baby steps.
But you see you didn't mention what I said after. I said it hasn't hurt anyone and it can't be enforced. Do you disagree?
Originally posted by Surtur
So then the law thus far hasn't hurt anyone, and couldn't even really be enforced anyways if it did come into effect. Have I said anything incorrect?
The law has not hurt anyone because it has been blocked from going into effect.
And it most certainly could be enforced.
Prior to this law, transgender people have used the public restrooms that correspond to their gender expression without incident.
What this law does, is make that a crime, when it was not before.
It forces people who, for all intents and purposes, appear to be women to use men's restrooms, and vice versa, or be criminals.
It does the exact thing it aims to prevent, which is to put people who appear to be one gender in the restroom of the other.
It is a solution in search of a problem.
Originally posted by Surtur
Also btw, Sanctuary Cities do not violate any laws at all then? Or do you mean they only violate the law if a mayor decides to allow it or what? On what basis then did they want to pull funding from these cities(or states)?
If someone is in the country unlawfully and witnesses a crime, he may not come forward or cooperate with authorities if he risks deportation in doing so.
Mayors of so-called sanctuary cities are using their discretionary authority in enforcing the law to not arrest or prosecute material witnesses to crimes.
It is not blanket immunity for unlawful immigrants.
If constituents do not approve of how a mayor executes the law, they are free to recall him or elect a different mayor in the next term.
State legislatures, however, do not have the right to interfere with the lawful executive actions of an elected representative, because they do not like them.
Originally posted by Surtur
Explain how it could be enforced. Or rather, explain how it can be enforced without hiring dick checkers outside every public bathroom. Has there been any talk of doing this? Or of any bathroom police of any kind that would enforce this?
Most laws are not enforced in real time like traffic violations.
Usually, someone reports a crime, police gather evidence, and a judge issues an arrest warrant.
There does not need to be a police officer posted outside of public restrooms checking IDs, because the law turns every suspicious busybody into the bathroom police.
Originally posted by Surtur
I see, so it bothers you when people dismiss things for silly reasons? Yeah I definitely agree with you on that and just wish it'd bother you more often with other issues too, but baby steps.But you see you didn't mention what I said after. I said it hasn't hurt anyone and it can't be enforced. Do you disagree?
Again, the "It hasn't hurt anyone yet" is a silly stance to ignore an unjust law.
It could be enforced like any number of other laws. But even going with your pov that it can't be enforced, that's still no reason to ignore an unjust law.
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Usually, someone reports a crime, police gather evidence, and a judge issues an arrest warrant.
Just to be clear, you think they would serve arrest warrants to people who do this? Or are you just talking about the process of how laws are enforced?
There does not need to be a police officer posted outside of public restrooms checking IDs, because the law turns every suspicious busybody into the bathroom police.
I mean if they are just calling up the cops with "creepy dude is creeping around this public bathroom" they'd probably show up regardless of this law, right?
Just out of curiosity, could a cop demand a dick check? Say the law went through and then some lady see's another lady she doesn't think is a real lady and calls the cops. Can the cop demand the person prove what gender they are? Or I suppose the cop could come up with some lame excuse for why a cavity search needed to be done? But then if you've had your dick removed then I..I don't even know what that looks or feels like. I don't know if a person could even tell a faux vagina from a real one? I've never seen what the parts these people have look like once their surgery is over.