Originally posted by quanchi112
Hand to hand fighting Skill, durability, weaponry and facing off against superior opponents.
What on God's Green Earth are you talking about here? Better fighting skill? He's been outclassed by every skilled person he faced. Specifically, Cap, BP and noob in Spiderman. I'd even include Clint. He competed with a BP in his suit, while retired no less for short period. He looked more skilled than Bucky. Window looks comparable.. she just doesn't have the stats. Bucky is not more skilled. Selene has fought better people, and considerably better. She's done better, she is better
Durability? No. She's taken a talen directly through her and kept fighting. Her healing factor seems as good or better
Superior foes? LOL What? really? This has to be a joke right? Should we compare them?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Hand to hand fighting Skill, durability, weaponry and facing off against superior opponents.
Nope, nope, nope and nope.
Bucky is basically akin to the Punisher, or an unpowered Wolverine with a vibranium prosthetic arm. That arm is literally the only thing Selene would have trouble with, and given Selene's speed and far more experienced fighting style, she can circumvent that arm easily enough.
Selene took a pair of talons from Markus relatively well, especially compared to other vamps like Kraven, she took a shotgun blast point blank in the guts and didn't even flinch, and both of these were before she received her Corvinus amp. So, durability is definitely Selene's.
Weaponry is relatively comparable. In fact, I would wager that Selene's weapons are superior in a lot of ways.
As for opponents, in both WS, and CW, Bucky never really went head to head with anyone substantially over his head. Anyone that far beyond him he got trounced by (Ironman, who was also holding off Cap), he never got challenged by, say, Thor, or the Hulk. Selene on the otherhand went toe to toe with guys like Viktor, Markus, William, and Quint. All of whom could be argued to be her superior in several areas at the time of their battles, and yet Selene still stands, and they do not.
The only thing I'd say about that.
Viktor was distracted fighting Michael. He wasn't even paying attention to her when she sliced his head in half.
She only beat Markus after drinking Elder Corvinus' blood and becoming more powerful than him as an Immortal-Vampire Hybrid. (Even hybrid Michael got his as* beat due to Markus' age and experience)
She didn't even fight William. Michael killed him as he'd been locked up for 800 years with no food.
She survived fighting Quint long enough to plant the grenade in his belly, but without it she'd have certainly died.
Originally posted by KingD19
The only thing I'd say about that.Viktor was distracted fighting Michael. He wasn't even paying attention to her when she sliced his head in half.
True, which shows Vik's potential as a greater fighter than anyone Buck's fought.
Originally posted by KingD19
She only beat Markus after drinking Elder Corvinus' blood and becoming more powerful than him as an Immortal-Vampire Hybrid. (Even hybrid Michael got his as* beat due to Markus' age and experience)
Not what I was referring to. She got double taloned by Markus before receiving her Alexander amp.
Originally posted by KingD19
She didn't even fight William. Michael killed him as he'd been locked up for 800 years with no food.
She had a few goes with him before Michael dropped from the chopper. And William had just chowed down on a bunch of Alexander's troops.
Originally posted by KingD19
She survived fighting Quint long enough to plant the grenade in his belly, but without it she'd have certainly died.
Never said otherwise, my point was, where Bucky has fallen at least twice, Selene hasn't. She lost once to Quint, and recouped hat loss quite well in her rematch.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiHe beat BW every time he's faced her. He bested Cap in this film by Bfr. Cap had help against him in WS and Bucky was focusing on that object when Cap grabbed him at the end of the film. BP never beat him while he was going for the kill. WS held his own the entire time.
What on God's Green Earth are you talking about here? Better fighting skill? He's been outclassed by every skilled person he faced. Specifically, Cap, BP and noob in Spiderman. I'd even include Clint. He competed with a BP in his suit, while retired no less for short period. He looked more skilled than Bucky. Window looks comparable.. she just doesn't have the stats. Bucky is not more skilled. Selene has fought better people, and considerably better. She's done better, she is betterDurability? No. She's taken a talen directly through her and kept fighting. Her healing factor seems as good or better
Superior foes? LOL What? really? This has to be a joke right? Should we compare them?
Saying she's fought better people isn't proving it. It's you debating just making baseless claims and ignoring the context or evidence.
Give me a break. She's relied on her weaponry far too often against even Lycans. She isn't as durable as the WS. His arm can deflect bullets can she ?
Let's compare the foes because the Underworld franchise doesn't compete with marvels in terms of power, skill, etc. it's worlds above it.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroThis is why you're an idiot. You always flee the scene to lick your wounds. You didn't even know what a brain cell meant you stupid fool.
Nope, nope, nope and nope.Bucky is basically akin to the Punisher, or an unpowered Wolverine with a vibranium prosthetic arm. That arm is literally the only thing Selene would have trouble with, and given Selene's speed and far more experienced fighting style, she can circumvent that arm easily enough.
Selene took a pair of talons from Markus relatively well, especially compared to other vamps like Kraven, she took a shotgun blast point blank in the guts and didn't even flinch, and both of these were before she received her Corvinus amp. So, durability is definitely Selene's.
Weaponry is relatively comparable. In fact, I would wager that Selene's weapons are superior in a lot of ways.
As for opponents, in both WS, and CW, Bucky never really went head to head with anyone substantially over his head. Anyone that far beyond him he got trounced by (Ironman, who was also holding off Cap), he never got challenged by, say, Thor, or the Hulk. Selene on the otherhand went toe to toe with guys like Viktor, Markus, William, and Quint. All of whom could be argued to be her superior in several areas at the time of their battles, and yet Selene still stands, and they do not.
The punisher can't outrun cars. Wolervine can't even move like that. WS possesses far more skill than Wolverine who get roughed up by mere henchmen all the time. WS would break movie wolverine.
She has healing due to her biology. It penetrated her just fine. Damage soak is another matter. Bucky has a metallic arm which can block bullets can she ? **** no. Case closed.
Selene stood due to losing and context. She got an amp to take on Markus and Viktor was paying attention to Michael when she made her move. He easily cast her aside prior to. Context you buffoon.
WS was holding back against an emotionally compromised Iron Man. He damaged the hell out of him and Tony went for the kill. He failed. WS and Cap prevailed despite holding back against an emotionally compromised ally.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
This is why you're an idiot. You always flee the scene to lick your wounds. You didn't even know what a brain cell meant you stupid fool.
Ok, first, hello to you too Quan. Second, what are you on about now? Mindless ad hominem attacks that are completely unprovoked? Wow...
Originally posted by quanchi112
The punisher can't outrun cars. Wolervine can't even move like that. WS possesses far more skill than Wolverine who get roughed up by mere henchmen all the time. WS would break movie wolverine.
Lol, I would pay to see Bucky survive even half the shit Wolverine did in the movies... You know, like surviving a mind snapping time travelling consciousness stretch of over 60 years that ONLY Wolverine could have survived. Or being disintegrated continually by Phoenix...
Originally posted by quanchi112
She has healing due to her biology. It penetrated her just fine. Damage soak is another matter. Bucky has a metallic arm which can block bullets can she ? **** no. Case closed.
Shotgun blast to the guts disagrees with you. Bucky won't survive that, that's why he needs that arm, he blocks bullets with a metal prosthetic. he can't tank it like Selene can.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Selene stood due to losing and context. She got an amp to take on Markus and Viktor was paying attention to Michael when she made her move. He easily cast her aside prior to. Context you buffoon.
All valid points, However, we are taking Selene at her best here in VS, not some arbitrary point in her life for your convenience. Bucky would never have faired as well in the same situations.
Originally posted by quanchi112
WS was holding back against an emotionally compromised Iron Man. He damaged the hell out of him and Tony went for the kill. He failed. WS and Cap prevailed despite holding back against an emotionally compromised ally.
HAHAHAHAHAAA, Do you see how hypocritical your stance is now? You don't want to say the same thing for Selene killing Vik because it makes your argument look really bad, but in the same breath, you claim Bucky wasted Stark, despite the fact that he had help from f**king Captain America. Double standards and a clear biased viewpoint. Classic Quan MO.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroQuit feigning ignorance. You know exactly what I am referring to.
Ok, first, hello to you too Quan. Second, what are you on about now? Mindless ad hominem attacks that are completely unprovoked? Wow...Lol, I would pay to see Bucky survive even half the shit Wolverine did in the movies... You know, like surviving a mind snapping time travelling consciousness stretch of over 60 years that ONLY Wolverine could have survived. Or being disintegrated continually by Phoenix...
Shotgun blast to the guts disagrees with you. Bucky won't survive that, that's why he needs that arm, he blocks bullets with a metal prosthetic. he can't tank it like Selene can.
All valid points, However, we are taking Selene at her best here in VS, not some arbitrary point in her life for your convenience. Bucky would never have faired as well in the same situations.
HAHAHAHAHAAA, Do you see how hypocritical your stance is now? You don't want to say the same thing for Selene killing Vik because it makes your argument look really bad, but in the same breath, you claim Bucky wasted Stark, despite the fact that he had help from f**king Captain America. Double standards and a clear biased viewpoint. Classic Quan MO.
I didn't say Bucky can take all the punishment Wolverine can due to the healing factor. I said skill wise Bucky would break Wolverine. That's true and he's demonstrated superior skill in spades. Quit ignoring what I do say and trying to move the goalposts.
So you again ignore the healing factor which is different than durability. Do you know what words mean ? Might be time for a new vacation. If it penetrates her then she isn't durable that means her healing factor kicked in. Bucky can block the fire with his arm which is more durable. Hands down. I'm right you're wrong.
Bucky would beat Markus without an amp. He wouldn't be easily impaled. Selene was. Bucky would parry and break Markus. Too durable, too skilled, etc.
Stark would beat Selene as well so you don't have a point. Selene is usually going for the kill but WS wasn't. Context it always kind of humiliates you.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Quit feigning ignorance. You know exactly what I am referring to.
Again, what? No, but seriously, I have no idea what you are on about.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't say Bucky can take all the punishment Wolverine can due to the healing factor. I said skill wise Bucky would break Wolverine. That's true and he's demonstrated superior skill in spades. Quit ignoring what I do say and trying to move the goalposts.
Bucky would never defeat Wolverine, not in any respect except perhaps for pure brute strength, of which Logan has fought and defeated many many times. Experience and raw skill remain in Wolverine's favor no matter how hard you parrot the Hydra lackey.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So you again ignore the healing factor which is different than durability. Do you know what words mean ? Might be time for a new vacation. If it penetrates her then she isn't durable that means her healing factor kicked in. Bucky can block the fire with his arm which is more durable. Hands down. I'm right you're wrong.
#1: Prove Selene required the healing factor when hit by that shotgun. We see no wounds from it onscreen. #2: I already said Selene would have some initial trouble with the arm, but it's not an impenetrable defense. After all, Bucky's arm cannot cover his entire body, and Selene's speed so far outpaces Bucky's, it's ridiculous for you to ever assume he'd be able to stop Selene from ripping the damn arm off at the flesh joint.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Bucky would beat Markus without an amp. He wouldn't be easily impaled. Selene was. Bucky would parry and break Markus. Too durable, too skilled, etc.
That is an assumption your going to have to prove. Bucky has one vibranium arm, and street level physical strength. Markus has 4 limbs with which to rend Bucky apart. Selene physically overpowered Markus despite this disadvantage, and we've seen that onscreen, so now you have to prove Bucky can do the same or better.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Stark would beat Selene as well so you don't have a point. Selene is usually going for the kill but WS wasn't. Context it always kind of humiliates you.
Selene never intended to kill Vik until the end. Don't go throwing that $h!t around and hope it sticks. You know as well as I do that the comparison is there, you just don't like to admit when you f**ked up. C'mon keyboard warrior, prove me right yet again. Ad hominem attack me without provocation, and provide nothing to support yourself, just like you always do.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroSure you don't. 🙄
Again, what? No, but seriously, I have no idea what you are on about.Bucky would never defeat Wolverine, not in any respect except perhaps for pure brute strength, of which Logan has fought and defeated many many times. Experience and raw skill remain in Wolverine's favor no matter how hard you parrot the Hydra lackey.
#1: Prove Selene required the healing factor when hit by that shotgun. We see no wounds from it onscreen. #2: I already said Selene would have some initial trouble with the arm, but it's not an impenetrable defense. After all, Bucky's arm cannot cover his entire body, and Selene's speed so far outpaces Bucky's, it's ridiculous for you to ever assume he'd be able to stop Selene from ripping the damn arm off at the flesh joint.
That is an assumption your going to have to prove. Bucky has one vibranium arm, and street level physical strength. Markus has 4 limbs with which to rend Bucky apart. Selene physically overpowered Markus despite this disadvantage, and we've seen that onscreen, so now you have to prove Bucky can do the same or better.
Selene never intended to kill Vik until the end. Don't go throwing that $h!t around and hope it sticks. You know as well as I do that the comparison is there, you just don't like to admit when you f**ked up. C'mon keyboard warrior, prove me right yet again. Ad hominem attack me without provocation, and provide nothing to support yourself, just like you always do.
Based off what does Wolverine have more experience ? You do realize Bucky has been around for a while don't you ? Based off what raw skill showings let's compare. Bucky is stronger and more skilled. Wolverine gets messed up by random lackeys.
Based off the entire history of the character. When has she been shown to be resistant to bulletfire ? Just because we don't get a close up scene that doesn't mean we ignore the consistent portrayal of the character and pretend she is bulletproof.
I didn't say his arm covers his entire body I said it's more durable than her flesh. Do you disagree ? Based off what does she easily tag him ? Are you really foolish enough to believe the underworld universe compares to marvel ? GTFO.
Bucky has fought superior opponents, more power, more skilled, etc. Markus used the abilities he had well but wasn't particularly well skilled just used his body and strength to his advantage. Bucky has an arm that can break him. He also is quick enough to parry gunfire from foes coming in from various directions. Bucky would wreck Markus with his arm. I see him breaking his neck once he gets ahold of him.
Selene typically tries to kill everyone she faces. In the Viktor fight she attacked when his attention was elsewhere. That's why she killed him. One on one Viktor rapes her in a fair fight. Only you would brag about a cheapshot.
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Originally posted by quanchi112
Sure you don't. 🙄
Ok, since you are more interested in having a whinge about something I have no idea about rather than telling me what the hell it is you think I did in all the many months since I last posted here, I am just going to say "Yessssss, Quan...." and move on.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Based off what does Wolverine have more experience ? You do realize Bucky has been around for a while don't you ? Based off what raw skill showings let's compare. Bucky is stronger and more skilled. Wolverine gets messed up by random lackeys.
The fact that Logan was born in the mid 1800s, and fought in nearly every war of the 20th century, including both World Wars, and Vietnam?
Bucky has won 2 singular fights in his entire onscreen existence Quan, and in both cases he had help from either Cap, or Cap & Co. Both victories were in Civil War too, which is really the only reason you picked up this character, because you jump bandwagons.
Wolverines far more diversified training and experience equals a higher graded skill set. Your turn. Prove Bucky is more skilled.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Based off the entire history of the character. When has she been shown to be resistant to bulletfire ? Just because we don't get a close up scene that doesn't mean we ignore the consistent portrayal of the character and pretend she is bulletproof.
Wrong. You needed definitive proof of injury. You don't have it, so you lose.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't say his arm covers his entire body I said it's more durable than her flesh. Do you disagree ? Based off what does she easily tag him ? Are you really foolish enough to believe the underworld universe compares to marvel ? GTFO.
Do you... even read what I write? Or are you arguing with me out of some sort of desperate need to see me more? What have I already said 3 times in a row now?
Raw speed, skill, and experience built over 3 centuries of fighting foes far stronger faster and more skilled then Bucky.
Ah, and here the real source of your fallacy is revealed Quan. What universe a character comes from is utterly meaningless. What, you think Bucky is TOAA all of a sudden? You think Bucky is somehow comparable to Thanos? or Thor? Don't be so stupid.... I never said Selene compares to Marvel's top guns. but Bucky is hardly anywhere close to top tier. He's a street leveler at best, so get used to it.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Bucky has fought superior opponents, more power, more skilled, etc. Markus used the abilities he had well but wasn't particularly well skilled just used his body and strength to his advantage. Bucky has an arm that can break him. He also is quick enough to parry gunfire from foes coming in from various directions. Bucky would wreck Markus with his arm. I see him breaking his neck once he gets ahold of him.
Bucky has LOST to superior foes before. The 2 victories we have seen onscreen are due to help from Cap and Co. You make this guy out to be more than he is, just like other certain well loved characters you have jumped the shark for.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Selene typically tries to kill everyone she faces. In the Viktor fight she attacked when his attention was elsewhere. That's why she killed him. One on one Viktor rapes her in a fair fight. Only you would brag about a cheapshot.
You certainly did, when you bragged about Bucky tagging Iron Man in a 2 on 1 tag situation in enclosed spaces. Go on Keyboard Warrior, deny that one too.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroSo you continue to feign ignorance.
Ok, since you are more interested in having a whinge about something I have no idea about rather than telling me what the hell it is you think I did in all the many months since I last posted here, I am just going to say "Yessssss, Quan...." and move on.The fact that Logan was born in the mid 1800s, and fought in nearly every war of the 20th century, including both World Wars, and Vietnam?
Bucky has won 2 singular fights in his entire onscreen existence Quan, and in both cases he had help from either Cap, or Cap & Co. Both victories were in Civil War too, which is really the only reason you picked up this character, because you jump bandwagons.
Wolverines far more diversified training and experience equals a higher graded skill set. Your turn. Prove Bucky is more skilled.
Wrong. You needed definitive proof of injury. You don't have it, so you lose.
Do you... even read what I write? Or are you arguing with me out of some sort of desperate need to see me more? What have I already said 3 times in a row now?
Raw speed, skill, and experience built over 3 centuries of fighting foes far stronger faster and more skilled then Bucky.
Ah, and here the real source of your fallacy is revealed Quan. What universe a character comes from is utterly meaningless. What, you think Bucky is TOAA all of a sudden? You think Bucky is somehow comparable to Thanos? or Thor? Don't be so stupid.... I never said Selene compares to Marvel's top guns. but Bucky is hardly anywhere close to top tier. He's a street leveler at best, so get used to it.
Bucky has LOST to superior foes before. The 2 victories we have seen onscreen are due to help from Cap and Co. You make this guy out to be more than he is, just like other certain well loved characters you have jumped the shark for.
You certainly did, when you bragged about Bucky tagging Iron Man in a 2 on 1 tag situation in enclosed spaces. Go on Keyboard Warrior, deny that one too.
Being around longer doesn't mean you have greater skill. Bucky's training and skill is superior to Wolverines despite him fighting in numerous wars against mainly humans.
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False. Bucky has defeated Cap, BW, and the Falcon. I loved the character before Civil War. No one else did here. It's me that does what I will regardless of anyone else. I don't pander to popular characters like Magneto, Wolverine, or Batman. That's you lemmings out there.
Based off the skill exhibited and the opponents level of skill and strength he's taken on. Would you be interested in this battlezone when Civil War hits DVD ?
No, I don't. We don't ignore common sense and the history of the character to pretend she is bulletproof. Michael wasn't either. 😂
What opponents are superior than Cap ? Name them. I can't wait to chuckle.
The level of your opponents does matter. Cap can take on Ultron. Ultron is superior to anyone Selene has taken on. Iron Man is also superior to anyone Selene has taken on. Point proven. 😂
Iman started the fight. Cap tagged him at the airport as well. Quit pretending he can't be tagged in an open area. Iman started the fight and he lost. Cry more, *****.