Originally posted by Time-ImmemorialThis is spot on. He cant hurt or do anything to the Thing in his normal suits. If Thing gets a hand on him, he's done (this is assuming Tony gets in close to fight like he's done with basically every villain and hero he's ever fought, and there are many).
Ironman would lose in H2H without Hulkbuster.
Hulkbuster still loses 7/10 IMO (this is if Veronica cant continually reform like she did in the Hulk fight). Thing has the best strength feat between him and Hulk unless I'm forgetting something (that Ferris wheel in the second movie). He definitely has the durability to tangle for a while (all the attacks he's taken in his movies, and he was never once actually hurt). Main problem is that he's also the slowest of the three. Still, he should be able to shred up Veronica pretty handily.
Wait... Who went and made this a H2H fight?
Thing doesn't have the durability feats to prove he can take all the weapons in Tony's arsenal. We can't just have a no limit fallacy because we haven't seen him KO'd. But we did seem Doom put him down and almost kill him.
Thor took the destruction of the Bi-Frost point blank. It took a Nuke to just KO a possibly weakened Superman.
Those are durability feats beyond what Tony can likely dish out. Thing doesn't have those.
Originally posted by Darth ThorBut why would Thors feats help Iron Man? Stark never actually hurt Thor in their fight, whereas Thor was totaling his suit. I still don't see Tony hurting Thing in a normal suit.
Wait... Who went and made this a H2H fight?Thing doesn't have the durability feats to prove he can take all the weapons in Tony's arsenal. We can't just have a no limit fallacy because we haven't seen him KO'd. But we did seem Doom put him down and almost kill him.
Thor took the destruction of the Bi-Frost point blank. It took a Nuke to just KO a possibly weakened Superman.
Those are durability feats beyond what Tony can likely dish out. Thing doesn't have those.
Originally posted by HulkIsHulk
The final fight didn't look like that. More like
Iron Man (with minimal usage of versatility) => Cap & Bucky
Iron Man (pure h2h no gimmicks) <<< Cap or Bucky.
So was Loki, who could take Hulk and Thor hits.
A Cap/Ben fight would probably look somewhat like Cap/Iron Man, with Ben just being too slow for Cap, and taking a gazillion shield hits.
Of course, Stark would have won even in h2h if it wasn't for those "weak points", like the power source with a big bullseye on it.
Originally posted by Arachnid1
But why would Thors feats help Iron Man? Stark never actually hurt Thor in their fight, whereas Thor was totaling his suit. I still don't see Tony hurting Thing in a normal suit.
No I meant Thor or Hulk or Superman have the kind of durability feats that support IM unloading on them couldn't put them down. Whereas Thing doesn't have those kind of durability feats.
Tony seemed to be using a pretty sh*tty random armor in Civil War, for whatever reason. He also foolishly decided to fight everyone in close quarters. You could argue that this is just in his character - but it clearly isn't, because there are multiple instances in which he's willing to stay at a range. It seems like his tactics related to the emotional context of the fights, his rage, his confusion, and possibly that he had a sh*tty suit.
If Stark gets his full arsenal, he obviously sh*tstomps Thing. If he fights semi-intelligently, he obviously sh*tstomps Thing. The only way he loses is if he acts like an idiot and tries to brawl with him.
Originally posted by Darth ThorOh alright, that makes more sense. 👆
No I meant Thor or Hulk or Superman have the kind of durability feats that support IM unloading on them couldn't put them down. Whereas Thing doesn't have those kind of durability feats.
I think he could. He's tanked falling from skyscrapers and took blasts from Doom who was burning huge holes in people. Its been a while since I've seen it, but didn't he also take abuse from Doom with Surfers board? He should be able to take some missiles, and he should be able to take repulse blasts.
If Thing gets a hand on him, he should be able to tear the suit apart too, so I don't see IM being able to take much damage from Ben either.
Iron Man staying in the sky is a lame argument, he even tried to fight Bucky without his armour. He slugged it out with Hulk, Thor, Rhodey, damned near everyone he's fought.
Thing crushes Iron Man in his regular armour and Tony WILL go hth because he has consistently has done so throughout his appearances in the MCU.