Valkorion vs. Palpatine (TP battle)

Kek

Palpatine can mentally dominate DE Luke Skywalker. Valkorion can't dominate the Outlander. 😂

Proof Palpatine has the techniques to handle Valkorion's creepy TP?

True. I don't think Sidious's TP has ever been described in such creepy language as the eloquent excellence of Drew's prose. 👆

Isn't this a serious thread?

Syndicate?

Yeah?

YOU WANTED A SERIOUS THREAD YOU ****ING ******* WELL HERE'S A SERIOUS THREAD FOR YOUR PRETENTIOUS FANCY ANUS

And?

Nobody's actually debating because they know Valk has legitimately superior TP feats and don't want to admit it.

lmao, Sidious's TP feats are far superior, he just doesn't use it as often.

The guy who dominated the dude who wields frigates like toys

Originally posted by The Ellimist
lmao, Sidious's TP feats are far superior, he just doesn't use it as often.

What? Passively zombifying Byss?

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Kek

Palpatine can mentally dominate DE Luke Skywalker. Valkorion can't dominate the Outlander. 😂

Wow... DE Luke or somebody who defeated Vitiate's clone body. Good argument there 👆

lmao, Sidious's TP feats are far superior, he just doesn't use it as often.

Originally posted by Syndicate
What? Passively zombifying Byss?

I mean, it's all the more impressive if he can do it "passively".

In either case:
[LIST]
[*]Byss
[*]Removing the memory of the lifting of a super star destroyer from the minds of potentially hundreds of trillions of people.
[*]Reading Vader's thoughts and forcing him to bend the knee from across the galaxy.
[*]Blocking Luke's telepathic communication.
[*]Mentally dominating DE Luke Skywalker and forcing him to forget his own name.
[/LIST]

>>>

Failing to dominate the Outlander.

Wow... DE Luke, someone who's been using the force under a decade, or somebody who defeated Vitiate's clone body. Good argument there 👆

In case if you haven't noticed, I don't exactly dignify your posts with a reply or even a read anymore, but since I'm in a good mood, I'll humor you:

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
Wow... DE Luke, someone who's been using the force under a decade,

The time in which he's been using the Force might have been a better predictor than nothing had this been all the information we had on his abilities. Since we do have pretty well documented showings, however, his length of training just becomes noise. By that logic, RotS Sidious ought be less powerful than Dooku, who has been "using the Force" much longer than he has, and RotJ Luke shouldn't have lasted a second against Vader - that correlation is obviously imperfect, and isn't relevant independent of what they can actually do.

Here, DE Luke has already taken down AT-AT walkers with telekinesis after absorbing their laser cannons, matched Darth Vader in personal combat, and levitated starships. If you do want to invoke training time, invoke this; Luke after just a month or so of training is already the most powerful Jedi Vader's ever fought, and with a few more months he's already a match for one of the most powerful Sith Lords of all time. Now graph that extrapolation out several more years.

The Outlander has...uh...well, he's certainly never matched DE Luke's AT-AT feat, nor has he ever taken on Darth Vader with less than a year of training, so what has he done, exactly? And whomever he's beaten, please point me to their feats that compare with Vader's in The Force Unleashed. If you want to talk comparisons, you don't really have any for the Hero.

or somebody who defeated Vitiate's clone body. Good argument there 👆

Leave it to Beefy to cast textbook circular reasoning fallacies without batting an eye, lmfao.

Regardless, we do know that Vitiate was weakened from the ritual; now, you're welcome to help quantify to what extent he was weakened. Oops, you can't? Too bad, it sounds like this performance is kinda meaningless.

We do know that it doesn't remotely translate into challenging a full power Vitiate, given that the Hero + an entire team couldn't do sh*t against Revan before his light side half lent them a hand.

But what about Luke's defeating of Sidious, with an equally quantifiable Leia amp? Can I use that to make things fair?

I do know that Sidious himself acknowledges that Luke could give him a good fight. The Hero and an entire squad couldn't do the same to Revan.

Sorry, not sorry. Dominating DE Luke >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> failing to dominate the Outlander.

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But let's assume for the sake of argument that you were correct, and the Outlander actually was above Luke. Since Valkorion failed to dominate him, that hardly proves anything. The real question, then, is what is the most powerful being Valkorion/Vitiate has dominated? Pre-KotOR Revan on a dark side nexus? What has Pre-KotOR Revan done, exactly, beside commandeer some fleets against some mandos? Do you have any active argumentation, or are you just going to try desperately to convince people here that you're a competent debater by stringing together random, barely coherent circular circlejerks?

@Ellimist

Back to raw power nonsense in the matters of TP? We had a lengthy debate in this regard in which you failed to justify your stance.

Palpatine telepathically influencing Luke Skywalker (as of DE) indicates that Palpatine is a threat to others with this ability but does not indicates that Luke was formidable at resisting TP at this point. Palpatine failed to break Leia Organa Solo FYI.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
I mean, it's all the more impressive if he can do it "passively".

In either case:
[LIST]
[*]Byss
[*]Removing the memory of the lifting of a super star destroyer from the minds of potentially hundreds of trillions of people.
[*]Reading Vader's thoughts and forcing him to bend the knee from across the galaxy.
[*]Blocking Luke's telepathic communication.
[*]Mentally dominating DE Luke Skywalker and forcing him to forget his own name.
[/LIST]

>>>

Failing to dominate the Outlander.

Going to need the scans/quotes for all of these. Context you understand.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Going to need the scans/quotes for all of these. Context you understand.

Valkorion never attempts to dominate the Outlander. It's also a completely different circumstance considering he's possessing the Outlanders body while they're in control. Valkorions motives and means at this time are far too ambiguous to use this against him.

Except if you let him in enough he does forcibly dominate the Outlander if you refuse him. The reverse being that if you don't, he can't - as he says by his own omission. 👆