Strongest force user Pre-Vizsla could defeat?

Assuming they don't TK spam of course.

All out armory as it was during the fight with Maul

Peak Luke Skywalker.

Shoot one at the head and one at the feet, obviously.

Bump. Cmon people use your heads

Does just pulling his gun out of his hand or TP'ing him count as "TK spam"?

It means fighting like a jedi. An occasional force push here and there like Kenobi did.

I need a real answer here

Some padawan level without jobbing or PIS.

Hmm. Imma say probably Even Piell or something

Zett Jukassa.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Hmm. Imma say probably Even Piell or something

Based on? Both Kenobi and Maul were holding back.

Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Based on? Both Kenobi and Maul were holding back.

Based on Even Piell has no real feats.

And Viszla can just jet pack and poor guy won't reach 🙁

No but seriously, i have no idea who Viszla can beat. Maybe low mid tiers but not anything in more

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Based on Even Piell has no real feats.

Sure he does.

Tbh if we include Legends into this, a Padawan max is probably it and even then that might stretch it.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Sure he does.

Tbh if we include Legends into this, a Padawan max is probably it.

Make an RT then 😛

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Make an RT then 😛

Alright. Though got work here, but I'll get to it when I get home.

Even Piell has some decent accolades, tbh.

As for the thread, I don't know. I've always disliked the idea of non-Force sensitives legitimately contending with trained Force users.

Originally posted by Fated Xtasy
Based on Even Piell has no real feats.

Most of the RoT sith don't have feats either 😛

Strongest force user he could defeat in SABERS ONLY for the jedi/sith. There, no more confusion.

And why didn't Tano incorporate TK in her fight against him? Jedi honor right? Why can't we just assume that for jedi?

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Alright. Though got work here, but I'll get to it when I get home.

Sabers only? I don't see any really. Only thing that gives him a chance(and pretty much by that extension every other Non-Force User) is as you say Kurk, Jedi morals. They are less prone to use the Force than a Dark Force User or Sith would in combat, or well in an abusive manner that is.

As far as Legends go anyway, in a straight blade confrontation, at best he could hope for is a stalemate.

Let's look at an example here, Prince Xizor vs Jax Paven. Now Xizor's species are above humans in every possible manner, strength, speed, reflexes and so on. Due to these things, Xizor is able to pull off maneuvers that only Jedi would be capable of doing while wielding a lightsaber(noted by Jax), among his extensive martial arts training.

Yet at best during their fight, even with Jax's Force Usage being hampered it was a stalemate between the two.

If you'd like another example, let's look at Phow Ji. This guy was pretty much a superhuman with masters in Echani, Teras Kasi(the same MA Xizor knows) and a dozen of other martial arts. He wrecked several mercenaries(3 of them armed while he did it barehanded), moved faster than holocams, able to dodge blaster bolts(thanks to Echani's precog) and a bunch of other things.

Yet it's noted that he would only be a challenge to Jedi who unaided themselves with The Force.

If you'd like another example, let's look at Darca Nyl, the Mercenary with a lightsaber. He held at bay Lyn's apprentice Sardoth in a duel, yet this was all he could hope fore despite the fact he had been using just a lightsaber for years in combat and nothing else, unlike Vizsla who uses more than just his Darksaber.

So at best in a saber only duel, with no holding back for the Jedi/Sith Force wise? He'll at best get a stalemate.

Canon, well I have no idea on that.