Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Apoc wins in a fight, but not a TP fight. People need to cut the crap with this TP wanking.
TI... Hold on dude... You didn't even look at my post. Why would a dude who is strong enough to EVENTUALLY power out of Xavier's psionic grip in an unspecified arbitrary timeframe somehow win against a being who not only instantly could break Xavier's psionic abilities, but also successfully reverse jack the same guy (A more powerful, older, smarter, wiser, and more experienced version of the guy no less) who even held Shaw at all in the first place?
I am not understanding what point you are trying to make here... And I'm trying real hard here.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
He has no mental defense against Xavier, but he can resist very much so.Apoc cannot control him.
He can freeze him perhaps even better than Xavier did tho. But that's not Apoc's usual style. Unless Shaw has a huge backlog of stored energy, he is a regular dude who can tank a shitload of kinetic energy damage. He isn't fast or strong when unpowered, but if Apoc physically punches the dude, he would absorb energy from that blow.
That said, TP, and transmutation/mattter manip are the ways in which Apoc dominates this fight. Since Shaw is a mutant, Apoc is going to know immediately what makes him tick, TP or not. Once Apoc knows what Shaw's power is, which is damn near instantaneous, then the fight is over, because Apoc has the tools to shut this fight right down into the ground, with Shaw's brain.
Who did Apoc freeze with TP?
Now you are making it sound like
Apoc>>>Xavier which was not the case.
Xavier TP>>Apoc TP
I already said
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Apoc wins in a fight, but not a TP fight. People need to cut the crap with this TP wanking.
Also he can absorb more then just Kinetic energy. That much was shown.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Who did Apoc freeze with TP?Now you are making it sound like
Apoc>>>Xavier which was not the case.
Xavier TP>>Apoc TP
I already said
Who said Apoc froze anyone with TP. Apoc did worse. He remote hacked Xavier, the guy who legit DID freeze people. So, in terms of TP Powerwise, Apoc has the edge over anyone bar Phoenix, while rangewise, Xavier beats out Apoc, hence why Apoc desired Xavier's power to bolster his own. The proof is in the powerscaling in the quote below.
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
TI... Hold on dude... You didn't even look at my post. Why would a dude who is strong enough to EVENTUALLY power out of Xavier's psionic grip in an unspecified arbitrary timeframe somehow win against a being who not only instantly could break Xavier's psionic abilities, but also successfully reverse jack the same guy (A more powerful, older, smarter, wiser, and more experienced version of the guy no less) who even held Shaw at all in the first place?I am not understanding what point you are trying to make here... And I'm trying real hard here.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Also he can absorb more then just Kinetic energy. That much was shown.
The only other thing he absorbed was the brief flare of a grenade... But that isn't going to change anything.
Originally posted by Darkstorm ZeroThe only other thing he absorbed was the brief flare of a grenade... But that isn't going to change anything.
No that is not the only thing he absorbed..
He also absorbed Havok/Summers blasts.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
I guess we have a difference of opinion. I dont see shaw being overpowered by Apoc on TP.Also he has his TP helmet.
My point is, if Apoc can psychically screw over a more powerful Xavier, who when he was younger and weaker managed to psychically screw Shaw over long enough for Erik to kill him slow with a coin, then i don't see the contest here.
As for Shaw's helmet... It gets demolecularised just as fast as Apoc creates one in the movie out of nothing.
In this fight... There is literally nothing Shaw can do to Apoc that Apoc cannot counter with trivial ease.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
No that is not the only thing he absorbed..He also absorbed Havok/Summers blasts.
Heh 😛 Ok, I'll admit it, I completely forgot about the rocket and Alex's splasma blast. My bad.
That being said... I have to say, it still won't protect Shaw from Apoc's powers. Apoc's not throwing out energy blasts here.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Ok you changed my mind after thinking about this some more.Good on you.
Ok, Thanks, you did well tho, picking something up that I had forgotten. Should refresh my First Class viewing... >.> 😛
Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Heh 😛 Ok, I'll admit it, I completely forgot about the rocket and Alex's splasma blast. My bad.That being said... I have to say, it still won't protect Shaw from Apoc's powers. Apoc's not throwing out energy blasts here.
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Ok you changed my mind after thinking about this some more.Good on you.
Cheers