In DC comics, who can "easily" defeat multi-eternity?

*Ahem* Not to get in the way of the debate, but

Fables are DC, right? What do you think of Kevin Thorne?

The Literals were pretty obvious stand in's for the writing conventions, with Thorne being a "One Above All" style writer that could shape reality as he sees fit, just by writing it all down.

Originally posted by Galan007

I already provided on panel evidence. I just don't think it's computing for some reason.

My bad, I missed it, can you post it again?

Originally posted by Galan007

The 'local/prime' DC Multiverse = infinite universes(per Rip Hunter.) And in the Metaverse scan we learn that an infinite amount universes are being spawned EVERY INSTANT, in addition to the aforementioned cosmology. Again: infinite universes = a Multiverse.

The Metaverse scan seems to unintentionally elaborate on the Rip Hunter scan.

Explaining the same concept more in-depth.

Originally posted by Galan007

So if a new Multiverse is spawned every single INSTANT, then this creates infinite MultiverseS as a corollary. Not trying to be rude, but I don't need a handbook to figure out that 1+1=2.

"spawns an infinite # of new realitieS every instant" ... is actually captured in this phrase, within this sentence:

"All the 'What If ...?' moments that don't happen ... suddenly an alternate reality is created where ... it does"

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That's literally based off the concept of Marvel diverged alternate realities. ("What If's"😉

Well, I gotta say, we'd ended up without closer were it not for that last scan you posted.

I didn't even have that scan before, that cemented my argument as fact imo.

Originally posted by Galan007

That said, the Marvel Omniverse is more currently defined as containing infinite universes and infinite MultiverseS. The scan I posted above explicitly states as much

(and it's from a much more recent source than the decades-old scan you keep referencing.)

... and I love Handbooks when they work.

Originally posted by CatL18
I say again, read multiversity and convergence.
What you are refering to is only local multiverse.
Hypertime has infinite number of multiverse as it's branch. It is concept established by Grant Morrison and Mark Waid.
In fact, Multiversity guidebook confirms that multiverse after infinite crisis is only one of infinite local multiverse branched from Hypertime.
And, there is metaverse concept.

So, every character above COIE Anti Monitor can easily defeat multi-eternity.

Mate, not one character that I listed even has an appearance post flashpoint. My point was Multiversity and Convergeance have no bearing on what I said. They aren't part of the continuity in question (it's why I mentioned the 52 universes, that Eternity is more than)

That aside I can't think of a single post Flashpoint showing of anyone so much as destroying a universe. So again irrelevant.

why would I need to read stories that are part of a continuity that doesn't apply to anyone or thing I've mentioned? It's why I asked to to read what your replying to. That would be like saying "read this SA story which contradicts everything you said about this character created post COIE that never existed when the story was written.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Oh, so you did post a scan that mentions "infinite MULTIverseS?" ...

My bad, I missed it, can you post it again?

Where in the "Metaverse" scan does it fit in Rip Hunter's explanation of another "Multiverse?" (local/prime)

The Metaverse scan seems to unintentionally elaborate on the Rip Hunter scan.

Explaining the same concept more in-depth.

I find it interesting that the Metaverse description:

"spawns an infinite # of new realitieS every instant" ... is actually captured in this phrase, within this sentence:

"All the [b]'What If ...?' moments that don't happen ... suddenly an alternate reality is created where ... it does"

-------------------------------------------

That's literally based off the concept of Marvel diverged alternate realities. ("What If's"😉

Well, I gotta say, we'd ended up without closer were it not for that last scan you posted.

I didn't even have that scan before, that cemented my argument as fact imo.

On Panel > Handbook ... always and forever.

... and I love Handbooks when they work. [/B]

Originally posted by Galan007
Rip Hunter explains the DC Multiverse:

This scan details DC's 'Metaverse':
http://i.imgur.com/LlxPHY5.jpg

Here is the pertinent text from that scan, which I referenced in my above post:

As I mentioned earlier: a Multiverse in DC=infinite universes. On top of that, an infinite amount of new universes are spawned every instant--which subsequently means a new multiverse is born with each passing moment. Thus we get an infinite amount of multiverseS as a corollary--and that is what comprises the Metaverse in its totality.

That said, here is how the Marvel Omniverse was most currently defined:
http://i.imgur.com/f6TbRyM.jpg
(pertinent text outlined in blue.)

So yeah, DC's Metaverse and Marvel's Omniverse sound pretty much identical, imo. Infinite universes...Infinite Multiverses. /shrug

Lol @ trying to 'Marvelize' a DC scan, though... They're separate companies, btw. 👆

Originally posted by Galan007

Ignoring the evidence doesn't change the fact that it still exists... And it's clear as day.

I saw a scan which says something else and you yourself are adding the term "multiverseS" to it based on your logic,
but that's another story.

Yea, yea, it's that scan which defines the DC Metaverse exactly how Marvel defines their Multiverse.

Originally posted by Galan007

Lol @ trying to 'Marvelize' a DC scan, though... They're separate companies, btw.

The other scan that needs to be interpreted by a DC cosmologcal expert won't help here though.

Simple english like in the several Marvel scanned explanations will suffice.

Nothing needs to be cleared up. Nothing needs to be interpreted. Anyone with even rudimentary knowledge of DC cosmology can tell you exactly what I just did.

-The prime DC Multiverse=infinite universes.
-Within the all-encompassing Metaverse, infinite universes are being spawned every instant. And because we know, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that infinite universes=a Multiverse, this means a new Multiverse is born every instant.
-If a new Multiverse is spewed every single instant, we get infinite MultiverseS as a corollary.
-All of this is what comprises the Metaverse in its totality.

I am not digging. I am simply applying the facts that we were given on panel. Infinite universeS...Infinite MultiverseS.

As of 2008, Marvel defined their Omniverse the exact same way:

Full page:
http://i.imgur.com/f6TbRyM.jpg

Infinite universeS...Infinite MultiverseS.

Ergo my opinion that DC's Metaverse and Marvel's Omniverse are comparable. I don't think that is illogical in the slightest. /shrug

All of that being said: we are just talking in circles at this point. Unless you have something different to add, I'm done with this convo. I've said as much as I can say at this point, and I'd prefer to stop before things get toxic. 👆

Originally posted by abhilegend
Of course it did have a multiverse. There was even an omniverse mentioned in AOS 617.

The 52 universe was a local multiverse. Explicitly mentioned in Final Crisis secret files.

http://i.imgur.com/6IVsc9M.jpg?1

We can't say for sure what it meant though if it wasn't specifically defined. the omniverse was referenced in the 70s, pre-Crisis (around the same time period Marvel referenced it as well), but neither have officially defined them at the time.

Recently though, Morrison said in an interview that there are potentially infinite multiverses:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/10/21/grant-morrison-on-finishing-multiversity-and-whats-next-at-dc

Other multiverses have been referenced multiple times post-FP. And Grant seems to be integrating every possible multiverse into his new cosmology as it seems. He said in an interview that DC contains its own versions of the Marvel and Image (along with other) characters, which he depicted in Multiversity, and fits into his statement of DC having potentially infinite bubble multiverses.

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I brought that up in a thread a while back. I recall people trying to write the concept off as non-canon or somesuch.

...Shocker. 🙄

Originally posted by beatboks
Mate, not one character that I listed even has an appearance post flashpoint. My point was Multiversity and Convergeance have no bearing on what I said. They aren't part of the continuity in question (it's why I mentioned the 52 universes, that Eternity is more than)

That aside I can't think of a single post Flashpoint showing of anyone so much as destroying a universe. So again irrelevant.

why would I need to read stories that are part of a continuity that doesn't apply to anyone or thing I've mentioned? It's why I asked to to read what your replying to. That would be like saying "read this SA story which contradicts everything you said about this character created post COIE that never existed when the story was written.

This it not a "versus" thread, Darksaint.

Originally posted by Galan007

Nothing needs to be cleared up. Nothing needs to be interpreted. Anyone with even rudimentary knowledge of DC cosmology can tell you exactly what I just did.

-The prime DC Multiverse=infinite universes.
-Within the all-encompassing Metaverse, infinite universes are being spawned every instant. And because we know, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that infinite universes=a Multiverse, this means a new Multiverse is born every instant.
-If a new Multiverse is spewed every single instant, we get infinite MultiverseS as a corollary.
-All of this is what comprises the Metaverse in its totality.

I am not digging. I am simply applying the facts that we were given on panel. Infinite universeS...Infinite MultiverseS.

As of 2008, Marvel defined their Omniverse the exact same way:

Full page:
http://i.imgur.com/f6TbRyM.jpg

Infinite universeS...Infinite MultiverseS.

Ergo my opinion that DC's Metaverse and Marvel's Omniverse are comparable. I don't think that is illogical in the slightest. [/B]

But I do disagree with your Marvel Omniverse corrolation based on the "Metaverse" scans.

You may be right, but for now, until clearer evidence appears, imo, not definitively.

Originally posted by operator616

Recently though, Morrison said in an interview that there are potentially infinite multiverses:

http://www.ign.com/articles/2015/10/21/grant-morrison-on-finishing-multiversity-and-whats-next-at-dc

@Galan ... I think I found something that substantiates your interpretation.

It's not affiliated with the Metaverse scans, but, it's right along what you're saying.

I don't have the energy right now to crop and post, so, until tomorrah.

Mr M keeps it real even if it debunks his stance.

Know the issue you're thinking of off hand?

In DC, who is far above megaversal?
I think being related to Presence and Cosmic Armor Superman and Mandrakk and Empty hand are high-omniversal.

^ Mxy.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ Mxy.

As confirmed in Superman/Batman #25: Bat-Mite is a piece of Mxy's own power. 😉

Originally posted by Galan007
As confirmed in Superman/Batman #25: Bat-Mite is a piece of Mxy's own power. 😉

Multi-Batman.