Does Liberalism Represent the Fall of Democracy?

Originally posted by Digi
Relax TI, there's no need to put words in my mouth. "Lol" would have sufficed for what was an obvious joke.

But sure, not responding super seriously to bait threads on dead internet forums must make me a sheeple.

I wouldn't even mind debating some of these more controversial or polarizing topics. There are likely fascinating sociological points to unearth. But there has to be a little bit of good faith on both sides, or it's just a pointless exercise. It's not the topic I detest, it's the heavy-handed, agenda-laden approach to debate that permeates not just KMC but these topics as a whole. It serves only to help people reinforce their own beliefs while giving them a faint sense of righteousness. I have no use for either of those things.

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
So that's a whole load of right wing talking points and complaints right there so I'm not gonna tackle them all because I have things to do.

But in terms of the US trading with countries like Mexico and China, and then companies sending jobs to those countries, it's all a natural extension and consequence of the free market trading that the US champions. I mean, what would the solutions be? Force companies to employ US citizens? Then those companies would be just as likely to completely remove themselves from the US to save money.

To force corporations to do anything requires federal or state oversight, something that conservatives complain about all the time. It's an issue that is ludicrously difficult to tackle, especially due to the globalisation of so many corporations, giving them the chance to cut costs wherever they can, which they will because a corporation that's goal is simply profit has no reason to care about people not having jobs etc.

Intelligent. Eloquent.....impressed

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
So that's a whole load of right wing talking points and complaints right there so I'm not gonna tackle them all because I have things to do.

But in terms of the US trading with countries like Mexico and China, and then companies sending jobs to those countries, it's all a natural extension and consequence of the free market trading that the US champions. I mean, what would the solutions be? Force companies to employ US citizens? Then those companies would be just as likely to completely remove themselves from the US to save money.

To force corporations to do anything requires federal or state oversight, something that conservatives complain about all the time. It's an issue that is ludicrously difficult to tackle, especially due to the globalisation of so many corporations, giving them the chance to cut costs wherever they can, which they will because a corporation that's goal is simply profit has no reason to care about people not having jobs etc.

No, you give companies incentives to stay here, and if they still leave, you tax their goods coming back in. Why is is asinine to think maybe we should force US companies to employ US citizens in America. I mean what an original thought provoking idea.

Its not hard at all, the government forces the America people to do things all the time, like pay taxes, so the government can't tax the corporations that leave and want to import their goods back to the US at a 35% rate? Guess what would happen, they would not leave.

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
No, you give companies incentives to stay here, and if they still leave, you tax their goods coming back in. Why is is asinine to think maybe we should force US companies to employ US citizens in America. I mean what an original thought provoking idea.

Its not hard at all, the government forces the America people to do things all the time, like pay taxes, so the government can't tax the corporations that leave and want to import their goods back to the US at a 35% rate? Guess what would happen, they would not leave.

Thats not capitalism though. That's actually a shit strategy that would never work. Companies would leave the States and simply find better markets.

The problem is that we are a nation of entitled consumers. Why pay an American 10.00 an hour for what I can pay a "insert country" 4 dollars a day to do? With less shit to deal with like insurance, unfair conditions etc. On top of the fact that our culture is obsessed with all things made overseas we brought about our own failure

Why pay other countries people and governments money when we can make it here. Who cares if it costs more. We raise minimum wage.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Thats not capitalism though. That's actually a shit strategy that would never work. Companies would leave the States and simply find better markets.

Good luck with that kind of thinking. The USA is a HUGE consumer of goods and services. So I say good luck finding a better market with as much consumer spending as the in the USA.

To me the more pressing issue was the violence at the rallies, and the willingness of the police to ignore it. These are real problems.

Originally posted by snowdragon
Good luck with that kind of thinking. The USA is a HUGE consumer of goods and services. So I say good luck finding a better market with as much consumer spending as the in the USA.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Best trade war is the trade war not fought. Trump's stated economic policies would lead to major economic conflicts with our second and third largest trading partners. And yet his supporters think he'd be good for the economy...

I'm sorry, please remind me how Hilary or Bernie are better for the economy?

Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
Why pay other countries people and governments money when we can make it here. Who cares if it costs more. We raise minimum wage.

Youre not making any sense. You're touting capitalism but your arguments are socislistic

Originally posted by snowdragon
Good luck with that kind of thinking. The USA is a HUGE consumer of goods and services. So I say good luck finding a better market with as much consumer spending as the in the USA.

The us cant force companies to hire more americans when americans do even buy American. We are a consumer culture yes..but we do not consume our own goods

Originally posted by Sin I AM
We are a consumer culture yes..but we do not consume our own goods

We are a service nation today and yes we consume that as well as manufactured goods.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
Youre not making any sense. You're touting capitalism but your arguments are socislistic

The us cant force companies to hire more americans when americans do even buy American. We are a consumer culture yes..but we do not consume our own goods

Actually you can, its called, nationalism, unlike what the liberals want which globalism. As per John Kerry idiotic statement.

"The future demands from us something more than a nostalgia for some rose-tinted version of the past that did not really exist in any case,” Kerry declared. “You’re about to graduate into a complex and borderless world.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/05/07/john-kerry-advises-fancypants-college-grads-to-expect-borderless-world-hammers-trump/#ixzz4B0QGseut

Modern Liberalism is essentially just the political philosophy of social tolerance and government regulation of the economy. That's it. Like any other political philosophy, there are several different kinds of groups that branch out from this way of thinking, but asserting that there's something about Liberalism itself that somehow subverts Democracy makes little to no sense at all.

Of course, it's not like there's anyone here who doesn't already know this.