X-men vs Avengers & Justice League

^ I understand your point completely. Though everyone being on the ground and a few feet away from each other at the start gives QS the Massive advantage. So it's hard to be totally fair IMO.
I mean if Magneto can't start with his shields up, then why should Hulk start as Hulk? Maybe he starts as Banner and has to transform into Hulk. Or maybe Tony starts without his IM armour and has to put it on when the fight starts... See the problem?

But I suppose it's up to the OP to have stips such as Magneto has his shields already raised, or Tony begins the fight airborne, or Xavier is physically at the mansion but present in the combat arena through his Astral form.

Personally I just like to discuss the fights with different starting scenarios to showcase the different strengths/weaknesses each character has.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
^ I understand your point completely. Though everyone being on the ground and a few feet away from each other at the start gives QS the Massive advantage. So it's hard to be totally fair IMO.
I mean if Magneto can't start with his shields up, then why should Hulk start as Hulk? Maybe he starts as Banner and has to transform into Hulk. Or maybe Tony starts without his IM armour and has to put it on when the fight starts... See the problem?

But I suppose it's up to the OP to have stips such as Magneto has his shields already raised, or Tony begins the fight airborne, or Xavier is physically at the mansion but present in the combat arena through his Astral form.

Personally I just like to discuss the fights with different starting scenarios.

Because Hulk is the Avenger, and not Banner. Like Batman is the JLer and not Wayne and Iron Man is the Avenger and not really Stark. We are talking about the hero versions of each character and not their civilian identities after all.

And fight starting on the ground is completely fair. As team members need to be close to each other and not "set up" and spread out in an optimal ambush formation pre-fight as soon as the fight bell rings.

In a neutral setting where characters aren't pre-set to the optimal customized battle formation to handle QS's specific threat, X-men would win every time. QS would actually solo IMO.

The X-men franchise has given in to the DBZ syndrome. They seriously need some kind of power cap.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
Because Hulk is the Avenger, and not Banner. Like Batman is the JLer and not Wayne and Iron Man is the Avenger and not really Stark. We are talking about the hero versions of each character and not their civilian identities after all.

And fight starting on the ground is completely fair. As team members need to be close to each other and not "set up" and spread out in an optimal ambush formation pre-fight as soon as the fight bell rings.

In a neutral setting where characters aren't pre-set to the optimal customized battle formation to handle QS's specific threat, X-men would win every time. QS would actually solo IMO.

In that scenario QS would kick a lot of Avenger and JL butt, no doubt.

So what about say the Human Torch? Should a fight between him and QS start on the ground? What about Green Lantern.. On the ground and shields off?

I think that would be the ideal scenario for QS to stomp both those 2. But personally I think having HT fight QS starting off on the ground would be about as fair as having Green Lantern fight QS in space.

Originally posted by FrothByte
The X-men franchise has given in to the DBZ syndrome. They seriously need some kind of power cap.

Hmmm I mean it used to be a case of Xavier solos. Now Xavier solos, Quicksilver solos and Phoenix solos. And they all solo like everyone and anyone.

Heck when Magneto' with shields is like the 4th most powerful then you know they're overpowered Lol

Originally posted by Darth Thor
In that scenario QS would kick a lot of Avenger and JL butt, no doubt.

So what about say the Human Torch? Should a fight between him and QS start on the ground? What about Green Lantern.. On the ground and shields off?

I think that would be the ideal scenario for QS to stomp both those 2. But personally I think having HT fight QS starting off on the ground would be about as fair as having Green Lantern fight QS in space.

It is only "ideal" for QS as he is so OP that any character within his reach is pwned before the neurons in their brain even manages to fire.

There are only 2 scenarios here, one that allows QS to use his powers (enemies in range of attack) and one that isn't (enemies specifically made to set up in a position outside his range).

One is a standard "fair" scenario had we not even known what their powers are (neutral setting), the other requires that we know what the limitations of his abilities are and specifically set-up to negate it.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
Hmmm I mean it used to be a case of Xavier solos. Now Xavier solos, Quicksilver solos and Phoenix solos. And they all solo like everyone and anyone.

Heck when Magneto' with shields is like the 4th most powerful then you know they're overpowered Lol

Magneto apparently is at world destroyer levels now. Xavier can stop a whole airport of people in their tracks without breaking a sweat. QS is so fast he almost looks looney toony. And I don't care how powerful Magneto and Phoenix are, how the hell were they able to rebuild the X-mansion with just their powers??? Did their powers include architectural knowledge?

Give the teams prep and this becomes a bit more interesting.

Magneto was amped by Apoc when he was destroying the world.

No he wasn't Apocalypse states it's his own power like twice

Originally posted by ares834
Magneto was amped by Apoc when he was destroying the world.

That's his prime isn't it?

Even if he was amped, there's no proof that he lost it.

Originally posted by Nibedicus
It is only "ideal" for QS as he is so OP that any character within his reach is pwned before the neurons in their brain even manages to fire.

There are only 2 scenarios here, one that allows QS to use his powers (enemies in range of attack) and one that isn't (enemies specifically made to set up in a position outside his range).

One is a standard "fair" scenario had we not even known what their powers are (neutral setting), the other requires that we know what the limitations of his abilities are and specifically set-up to negate it.

I get that, I'm just saying the "usual" fair starting point plays right into his strengths.

In general though With characters who fly around a lot I'd say there's a split chance they could start the fight off while already in the air. And I doubt every fight scenario for QS would begin with his opponents (who can fly/levitate) on the ground.

Originally posted by Darth Thor
I get that, I'm just saying the "usual" fair starting point plays right into his strengths.

In general though With characters who fly around a lot I'd say there's a split chance they could start the fight off while already in the air. And I doubt every fight scenario for QS would begin with his opponents (who can fly/levitate) on the ground.

That's just how it is, though.

I would disagree with that kind of setting, tho. In a "fair" or "neutral" setting, that would just be too much of a slippery slope that debaters can exploit to use prep-type positioning to give their characters an unfair advantage (unless stips says so).

And even in a "general", realistic setting, most "teams" would be within close proximity to each other and not spread out in an "ambush" formation specifically to deal with QS as they'd still need to communicate/organize. That means those who can fly as a basic state wouldn't be too far off the ground.

The only possible setting I can see where they'd be in the air at a considerable height is if they had prior knowledge and time to prep/reposition.

But I do get your reasoning (tho I disagree with it).

^ Suppose that's fair. Fighting QS with prep and without prep would be different things for those with that variety of abilities.

Here is how it plays out:

Captain America: Wearing metal = instantly discarded by Magneto or gets tp'd.
Ironman: Hahahahaha Magneto instakills him
Hulk: tp'd or bound up by Magneto or Jean
Black widow: Wearing metal = instantly discarded by Magneto or gets tp'd.
Hawkeye: Gets killed by his own arrows.
Scarlet Witch: Wearing metal so she is dead. Also her powers are too slow to take on that many people anyways.
Quicksilver: Outclassed by xmen quicksilver
Vision: Made of metal so Mags rips him apart. He doesn't always go intangible.
Falcon: Metal wings = dead
Warmachine: Same as Ironman
Gi-Antman/Antman: Metal helmet and armor = dead
Winter Soldier: Metal arm goes through his own head.
Black Panther: Metal suit = dead
Spiderman: TP'd
Thor: Magneto makes Thor do this

Lmfao

No way Magneto's having greater control over Mjolnir than Thor does.

IDK, Magneto's magnetic powers are on a planetary scale now.

That Ren and Stimpy gif legitimately made me laugh before I clocked in today. I probably looked psychotic as **** laughing at my phone. Anyway why does it matter, he can bludgeon Slowdinson to death with Iron man's corpse or drive Steve's shield into his chest. Erik can chuck metal debris with enough force to atomize it, Thor nearly dies to terminal velocity. GG Magneto would rape him