Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Superman and interesting in the same sentence...?
That's my nostalgia talking.
But yes, I thought the Byrne/Jurgen's era, with it's bag of tricks inspired from the Watchmen/Dark Knight Returns stories, was one of the more interesting Supermen.
A focus on the "Man" part of Superman, some interesting reinventions of villains, Lex Luthor the Kingpin clone, the "pre crisis era meets modern" pocket universe saga..
It fell apart fast, but was fun while it lasted.
Originally posted by krisblazeThe DCnU had some fantastic titles that I enjoyed immensely--especially in its infancy:
Its as pr put it.New52 had me interested for a while but it didnt last.
Still a few qualiy books on the indie front though.
Etc.
However, most of the above were cancelled at some point; and the ones that weren't went to complete shit over time. DC(and Marvel) lack consistency... That's what ultimately drove me away, tbh.
Originally posted by cdtm
That's my nostalgia talking.But yes, I thought the Byrne/Jurgen's era, with it's bag of tricks inspired from the Watchmen/Dark Knight Returns stories, was one of the more interesting Supermen.
A focus on the "Man" part of Superman, some interesting reinventions of villains, Lex Luthor the Kingpin clone, the "pre crisis era meets modern" pocket universe saga..
It fell apart fast, but was fun while it lasted.
You do make sense, yes.
And he "died" in DoS 😄
I exclusively read stuff that catches my eye in the "great reads..." thread in the comics forum. I may go months without anything, then read 4-5 books back to back.
And I haven't touched DC since Flashpoint (aside from keeping up on scuttlebutt in the Ownage Thread), and haven't read Marvel since...I honestly forget. I held on the longest with Spidey, may have almost made it to Secret Wars with him. But it's been a while for anything else. Like, years.
Originally posted by Cogito
Maybe it works for the next generation of readers, but boring old people like me just want things to stay the same.
None of y'all read sales data. Comics is a high-turnover industry with its readers. This is nothing new, dating back to literally forever. Their entire target demographic is new 16-24 year olds with expendable income and less than adulthood-level bills to pay. That is entirely who Marvel and DC are making comics for. It's why there are constant soft reboots. Makes it easier to jump on. Also why they shoehorn movie tie-ins all the damn time. Because each new movie is a new pop for a particular character's comic. So it has to align as closely as possible. But their average customer is out of the hobby within 4 years, so they don't give a sh*t about us cranky bastards talking about continuity. Sure, they'll throw us a bone with nods to nostalgic stuff and BS continuity explanations. But that's to placate. A certain percentage of superfans and collectors will stay regardless of what they do, just as a certain % will be lost to natural attrition. But we represent exactly 0% of their growth planning. We aren't the audience.
Originally posted by Digi
None of y'all read sales data. Comics is a high-turnover industry with its readers. This is nothing new, dating back to literally forever. Their entire target demographic is [b]new 16-24 year olds with expendable income and less than adulthood-level bills to pay. That is entirely who Marvel and DC are making comics for. It's why there are constant soft reboots. Makes it easier to jump on. Also why they shoehorn movie tie-ins all the damn time. Because each new movie is a new pop for a particular character's comic. So it has to align as closely as possible. But their average customer is out of the hobby within 4 years, so they don't give a sh*t about us cranky bastards talking about continuity. Sure, they'll throw us a bone with nods to nostalgic stuff and BS continuity explanations. But that's to placate. A certain percentage of superfans and collectors will stay regardless of what they do, just as a certain % will be lost to natural attrition. But we represent exactly 0% of their growth planning. We aren't the audience. [/B]
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And no, I'm not reading sales data. If I had time/desire to do that, I'd be reading the issues bermm
Originally posted by CatL18
I buy and read JL, Superman, Batman, related issues every month.
I thought people of kmc is knowledgeable people about comic.
If even people of kmc don't read comics these day,What is people of other forum like Comicvine?
post nu52 I was getting Earth2, legion lost, red lanterns, Batwing, suicide squad, Demon knights, JLA Dark, and aome DC presents.
I got the shita when DC cancelled Demon Knights (IMHO the best post 52 title they produced) and dropped everything but e2 and related.
Marvel all I've got for years now is Thor, Daredevil, and IF occasionally. if they put out a new Defenders I'd get that in a heartbeat
Originally posted by beatboks
post nu52 I was getting Earth2, legion lost, red lanterns, Batwing, suicide squad, Demon knights, JLA Dark, and aome DC presents.I got the shita when DC cancelled Demon Knights (IMHO the best post 52 title they produced) and dropped everything but e2 and related.
Totally agree with DK being one of the best titles in the New 52. Totally disagree with E2 being worth reading. Those were the first titles I dropped, only a few issues in.
I'm a big fan of the Justice Society and I was a huge fan of Johns' run, and I hated how they completely altered some of the oldest and most storied characters in comics history 👇
Originally posted by Cogito
👆And no, I'm not reading sales data. If I had time/desire to do that, I'd be reading the issues bermm
Ha. Well, to be fair, I'm not doing that anymore either. It's just one of the industry's least well-kept secrets. From the 60's on, writers and publishers have openly admitted that this is the nature of their readers. At one point I found an article that pulled a lot of the data, and quotes, and explained it really clearly. And it makes sense. You leave college and are paying rent, starting a family, whatever. And what gets dropped? Comics. Sure, we'll go see movies, maybe torrent some stuff. But that's just leaving more slowly. And we're talking about this on the internet; we're the exception. Most guys 25-40 who were into comics have a couple lonely boxes in their closet that they haven't touched for a decade, and that's it. That may be slowly changing, as "nerd culture" becomes more mainstream, but not to the point where it would change their business model.