Originally posted by AncientPowerKarness Murr humiliated Darth Krayt in a weak host.
Yes and what you just posted has no relevance at all. Besides Sadow using the Corsair, like Aleema, to cause supernovas, what does Sadow have making him so powerful that Surik's entire crew, including Traya and Surik herself, cannot hope to defeat Ludo Kressh?
That alone, and having Naga Sadow and Ludo Kressh comparatively above him, puts them much higher then both of them and also Kenth Hamner.
Originally posted by JmanghanOh, and Kressh is powerful enough to destroy a giant statue with TK by clenching his fist.
Karness Murr humiliated Darth Krayt in a weak host.That alone, and having Naga Sadow and Ludo Kressh comparatively above him, puts them much higher then both of them and also Kenth Hamner.
Originally posted by JKBartIts the fact he did it without even gesturing towards it, the mere clench of his fist in general caused the damn thing to get completely destroyed.
Well, Kenth is capable of collapsing some metal structure mid-duel with Saba (being especially pressed since she's his clear superior in combat), pinning Kyp Durron to the wall and stuff like that.Don't get me wrong, it's a good feat no doubt, but Kenth has better.
Originally posted by AncientPower...And Kressh was second strongest.
It does not say in all of history, but among the Sith Lords the Sith elders were choosing for the title of Dark Lord, Sadow was strongest.
So what you're saying is, Hamner could have taken either one of them?
Speaking of that, why Hamner?
He wasn't nearly the strongest Jedi there, not on the levels of Kyle Katarn, or even Jaden Korr.
Originally posted by AncientPowerBecause she states it, and Chris Avellone confirmed it.
Which is irrelevant, Ludo Kressh was second strongest among the all of two present candidates that actually have any feats or noteworthy status.You claimed Kressh via Traya's claim should stomp Surik's entire party and have yet to give a single reason why that is remotely accurate.
Originally posted by AncientPowerFar FARRRRR more advanced.
The ancient Sith's skills with a lightsaber were more advanced, in what way does that even remotely suggest Ludo Kressh stomping Darth Traya, Meetra Surik, Visas Marr, Mical, HK-47, T3-M4, Brianna, Bao-Dur, Mandalore the Preserver, Mira, G0-T0 and Atton Rand?
I don't think you realize how much lightsaber combat matters.
I don't think AP talks about lightsaber combat as a whole in regard of this quote from Kreia. Instead, he is referring to his notion that the quote is about the technique the Ancient Sith wielded, not combat as a whole, and for Force Sensitives, technique and forms is just a part of what makes someone a good duelist.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Wollf, thought Kenth beats Meetra. Can he beat Kressh as well?
It depends into how much stock you put in to Ludo being a supposed peer of Sadow. We know he stalemated him, but that fight was cut short after only a couple of bladeclashes and canonical evidence says Sadow is ahead of Ludo in power.
It also matters if Kressh has his gauntlets or not, cause those things can give Haazen the power to kill Jedi(granted fodder Jedi, but Jedi nonetheless).
Originally posted by AncientPower
The ancient Sith's skills with a lightsaber were more advanced, in what way does that even remotely suggest Ludo Kressh stomping Darth Traya, Meetra Surik, Visas Marr, Mical, HK-47, T3-M4, Brianna, Bao-Dur, Mandalore the Preserver, Mira, G0-T0 and Atton Rand?
In the way that, apparently, allowed Tulak Hord to singlehandly kill an army of 1,000 Jedi. In the way that makes Kreia compare herself and the Exile's crew to children with toys when they would face an Ancient Sith in combat. In the way that Luke Skywalker suggests that even the entirety of the Jedi Academy (including himself) might not be enough to stop a fully ressurected Ragnos.
You maybe want to understand, that the Ancient Sith were ascending to their positions through combat and most of them were far more than a century old (e.g. Sadow and Kressh apparently witnessed Ragnos duel with Simus, which happened 100 or 150 years in the past). So those people have probably seen more combat action against other Force users than anybody else in the mythos (save for the members of the Army of Light / Brotherhood of Darkness maybe). On top of that, they have abilities up their sleeve, that baffled the likes of post-DE Luke Skywalker (who had no defense against the stuff Kyp and Kun used against him, when Kun gained his knowledge pretty much from Sadow only).
And Kressh is, apparently, Sadow's equal. Sadow, who has been heralded as one of the most powerful Sith sorcerers in history. Sadow who destroys star-systems just to get rid of some people pursuing him. I mean, really: The fact alone that Freedon Nadd, taking Sadow's knowledge, was capable of conquering Onderon one-man-army style (defeating an army of drexl-riding beastriders, when one of those things almost killed Bane) should give you a hint of what ancient Sith are capable of in combat.
So Kenth does what exactly?