Originally posted by MythLord
D, honey, you do know he did this with the aid of several Jedi Spirits, which gave him a substantial nexus to draw from, right?
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
I'm well aware of that dear, but I'm also aware Jerec was drawing on the power of the Valley of the Jedi as well, so both amps even themselves out nicely.
Originally posted by MythLord
Yes, but Jerec didn't have the combined power of several Jedi spirits aiding him, and from what I recall, Katarn turned the whole Valley against Jerec, thus more than likely cancelling out his own amplifications.
Haven't read the excerpt in like forever - do you have the relevant text on your person so I can judge for myself?
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Haven't read the excerpt in like forever - do you have the relevant text on your person so I can judge for myself?
Kyle brought himself up short. What had Jerec said? That's the second time you called on the dark side. What was the magic number, anyway? The repetitions beyond which one was changed? Was it three? Four? Five?Suddenly, Kyle knew that the number didn't matter - that the light side offered more than enough power for any task he would be called upon to do, and that knowledge was the key.
The Jedi closed his eyes, resisted the temptation to look at the light that strobed against his eyelids, and sent a series of commands. He gathered the Force around him, shaped it into a protective cocoon, and sealed Jerec within.
Jerec felt a sense of warmth and peace as the cocoon of light formed around him. It was a wonderful sensation - and one he enjoyed, until something went wrong. The Jedi fell, struggled to stay aloft, and fell again. Something, or someone, had cut his access to the dark side of the Force...
Who? How? The Dark Jedi fought to break through and knew it was too late. The dark, nearly black column of energy that pushed up out of the mound had been severed, and he, along with the rocks that had risen with him, plummeted to the ground.
Kyle opened his eyes, saw the Dark Jedi fall, and knew he had taken the correct approach. By doing something positive, by protecting Jerec from evil, the battle had been won. The ground under Kyle's boots crunched as he approached the fallen Jerec. Though stunned and badly bruised, Jerec was otherwise uninjured. In spite of his blindness, the Dark Jedi knew that Kyle stood over him with lightsaber in hand. His own weapon lay ten meters away - but may as well have been on the far side of the planet. Having never shown mercy to others, Jerec sought none for himself.
Source: Dark Forces: Jedi Knight
From the looks of it, Kyle used the Valley of the Jedi to not severe Jerec from the Force, but his connection to the Valley itself, given it's black columns disappear. Either way, Jerec was too late and both his connection to the Valley and possibly his connection to the Force had been cut. And by then, Jerec was without any weapon to confront Kyle with since his lightsaber "should've might as well been on the other side of the planet". Also, it seems Kyle was in a One-With-The-Force-ish kind of state when he did that. Take it as you will.
Hmm....taking that excerpt into consideration wit this quote I found:
However, during this rapturous illumination, Kyle used an ancient Force technique to sever Jerec's connection to the Force with a wall of pure light. Kyle then proceeded to cut the Dark Jedi down, sending Jerec's soul screaming toward Chaos alongside the Sith spirits of a thousand years hence.
Judging from the quote above, it seems like what I said from the get-go is correct; Kyle Katarn - while amped via the Valley, was able to cut a Jerec that was amped to the same degree, by the same nexus - off from the Force in general, via Force sever, no just The Valley's power . As for the one with the Force bit, that is more or less, conjecture that can't be proven one way or the other as no canon sources have stated so.
It's also worth noting though; that a non-amped Kyle Katarn was able to cut himself off from Force, so his usage of the power isn't a one-time thing.
"Jerec felt a sense of warmth and peace as the cocoon of light formed around him. It was a wonderful sensation - and one he enjoyed, until something went wrong. The Jedi fell, struggled to stay aloft, and fell again. Something, or someone, had cut his access to the dark side of the Force... Who? How? The Dark Jedi fought to break through and knew it was too late."
From this though it kind of sounds like Jerec didn't even both to fight back until it was too late.
Does severing someone from the force really imply a greater force power in relation to combat though?
For example, the Jedi Coucil collectively could sever Surik without resistance. Darth Traya obliterated said Jedi Council with ease. By your logic, Traya should have a flat force advantage over the Exile, yet on one of the strongest Dark Side Nexuses in the Galaxy where the Exile's willpower was constantly sapped, Traya failed to overcome her with the force.
Doesn't really fit your logic, darling 😕
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
Hmm....taking that excerpt into consideration wit this quote I found:--Excerpt from The Dark Forces Saga, Part 6
Judging from the quote above, it seems like what I said from the get-go is correct; Kyle Katarn - while amped via the Valley, was able to cut a Jerec that was amped to the same degree, by the same nexus - off from the Force in general, via Force sever, no just The Valley's power . As for the one with the Force bit, that is more or less, conjecture that can't be proven one way or the other as no canon sources have stated so.
Eh, being fair, Jerec didn't even think to defend himself from it and by the time he tried, he's already been cut off from the Valley. Also, it's not like Severe Force is neccessarily something that can translate to Katarn's more practical powers and an in-character Kyle really isn't prone to abusing it.
Originally posted by Deronn_solo
It's also worth noting though; that a non-amped Kyle Katarn was able to cut himself off from Force, so his usage of the power isn't a one-time thing.
That is such a big paradox... You're using the Force... to cut yourself off from the Force. 😕 But, Star Wars logic.