Vader takes force and all out
Not sure about Sabers, Satele isn't or probably hasn't improved since Fatal Alliance and Malgus already is close enough to Vader to pose a challenge. If he can exploit the fact Satele is crap and that the two would have terribly synergy, then he can probably win a few rounds.
Originally posted by DarthAnt66
Shan being ragdolled by Revan, a clear superior to Vader, doesn't seem much of an issue to me. mmm
And Malgus performing classy, but ultimately losing, to the four Republic or Imperial protagonists is pretty good. 😉
So, to begin with, we have Malgus, who was clearly superior to Act 3 Hero of Tython. Reason is obvious - HoT needed second Jedi, trooper and smuggler to take out Malgus. You can say "one person could also kill him". Nope. When the flashpoint was done and designed for the game, Malgus had to face entire strike team and everything is designed that way.
The fact that Malgus can now be defeated by one player (playing Hero of Tython), his companion (Kira let's say) and the support droid is the result of adjustments made to the new content. Malgus flashpoint is now obsolete, and just suffers from the changes made to the new content.
Now, obviously Malgus was, in the end, inferior to combined forces of Hero of Tython, Barsen’thor, and the Trooper + Smuggler. I’m not arguing Malgus was superior to the combined team, lmao, like people used to tell me “But he lost to them kek”. Imagine that, I know it, lmfao. smile However, he gave a fight to all four of them and was defeated by the team. There’s no reason HoT alone would be his match, otherwise it would be a stomp with three others right there. But let’s go by the lowest assumption possible – Darth Malgus was superior by only the smallest notch to Hero of Tython. I can roll with that.
Hero of Tython himself is pretty much way superior to Vader. HoT, a visible time before his prime, around the end of Act 2 and before, defeated:
• Lord Scourge. Scourge, 300 years before continuing his development, only an aspiring Lord who only *dreamed* about becoming the Dark Councilor, managed to defeat damned Captain Yarri. The captain of the Guardsmen assigned personally to Vitiate. Not only the Guardsmen are said to be a force equal to the might of Jedi Order and Sith (look up SWTOR Codex), but we are talking about those assigned to the Emperor’s throne room. I think you can’t really argue these Guardsmen weren’t among the top of their force. And let’s remember, we are talking just about Guardsmen like they are. Now, Captain Yarri was amped by Vitiate, like the other Guardsmen were. One Guardsmen was capable of resisting Revan’s Force Push. He was pushed back, but survived and easily continued fighting. Let’s see – we have a non-Sensitive being, who received enough of Force energy to resist TK from REVAN. This REVAN who obliterated Darth Nyriss with the Force. This REVAN who was casually throwing parts of meteors (yes, I’m not trying to argue these were whole meteors, I’m actually taking this feat at the lowest level possible, let’s say they were just debris and it’s still insane, and top 10 of the mythos) in mid of a combat. The non-sensitive being gained so much Force energy he was capable of resisting Force attack from this guy. And you probably don’t need explaining that Force amps reflexes, senses, speed, stamina? So, we’re talking about the best of the Guardsmen receiving the combat amp corresponding to switching from “non-Sensitive ragdoll tier” to “somewhat weakened-Revan resistant”. And Scourge defeated that Guardsmen, that also had the help of the second random Guardsmen. Yeah, Hero of Tython defeated him. You can say he had the help of his companion, but I think it just adds up to the fact he just went through an entire battle station and dozens of Sith and troopers in a row.
• Lord Praven. Praven defeated one of the best Jedi warriors in Sacking of Coruscant, their battlemaster Hero of Tython bested him way before his actual combat with Scourge.
• Darth Angral. Equal competition to Darth Baras, somebody who was clearly superior to Praven, who already is above Jedi Battlemaster tier.
Now, let’s not forget Hero of Tython went through Dromund Kaas, slaughtering hundreds of troopers and Sith. He defeated Guardsmen of the same type Scourge did (see above) in incredible numbers, along with T3 massacred the entire city, doing so on a Dark Side nexus that was considered insane by Meetra Surik, someone quite familiar with DS nexuses, don’t you say? Then the guy went on to fight weakened Vitiate – after slaughtering dozens of these guys, on this nexus, he still managed to resist Vitiate’s power and cut him down with a saber.
As for the Guardsmen - those in Revan novel were amped just by Vitiate's near presence, that was it. I have no reason to believe Vitiate's link with his best guardsmen wouldn't exist here. Of course, Vitiate was severely weakened there, so the amp was way lower, sure. But still, let's not forget how powerful was his regular amp (see above). These guys were at the very least capable of contending with Kenobi-tier combatants.
So how the hell isn't Hot 3 HoT way above Vader already?
And we’re talking about Malgus, who is at the absolute least slightly superior to this guy. Oh, and there’s also Satele Shan here. So tell me how is Vader supposed to survive?