Orlando Shooting "Revenge", not Terrorism

So according to the apparent lover of the shooter, he acted out of self-loathing and essentially homophobia. Key excerpt:

Omar Mateen, the Muslim gunman who committed the Pulse nightclub massacre in Orlando, was "100 percent" gay and bore a grudge against Latino men because he felt used by them, according to a man who says he was his lover for two months.

"I've cried like you have no idea. But the thing that makes me want to tell the truth is that he didn't do it for terrorism. In my opinion he did it for revenge," he told Univision Noticias anchor Maria Elena Salinas in an exclusive interview in English and Spanish on Tuesday.

He said Mateen was angry and upset after a man he had sex with later revealed he was infected with the HIV virus.

Asked why he decided to come forward with his story, he said: "It's my responsibility as a citizen of the United States and a gay man."

http://www.univision.com/univision-news/united-states/orlando-massacre-was-revenge-not-terrorism-says-man-who-claims-he-was-gunmans-lover

So I guess this wasn't a terrorist attack first and foremost after all. mmm Thoughts?

Why did you say "I guess this wasn't a terrorist attack after all" as if the opinion of his gay lover really proves anything?

As for my thoughts..my thoughts are: okay? His gay lover is entitled to say whatever he wants. It doesn't magically erase what the killer said on his phone call to the cops, which didn't really mention revenge or HIV.

I said first and foremost friend, and unless you think he's lying I don't see what your trying to say. 😬

Even if the story was true, I can get the revenge part. But homophobia? It doesn't look like he's homophobic at all. It doesn't even look like he ashamed of his homosexuality (based on what you've posted anyway).

More like someone who was just really mad that he was used and discarded.

At best, it looks like he was racist against latinos.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I said first and foremost friend, and unless you think he's lying I don't see what your trying to say. 😬

Why does he have to be lying? It would be disturbing if he was lying because it would mean he was lying to try to draw attention away from the Islam aspect of this. Rather I just think he is wrong. Like I said the shooter made no mention of anything this person is claiming.

Because he supports his opinion with what the shooter apparently himself said? The guy said he was going to make them pay, then shot 50 gay people, make the connection. 😬

@Nibedicus, that's one way of looking at it, but considering the drasticness of his action and him supposedly adopting radical Islamic views I can't help but feel homophobia was involved.

So it is looking more and more like it wasn't "Islamic terrorism", guy had rage and suspected he might have contracted HIV.

LoL at all the reactionaries like TI who were the first to cry the ISIS card before knowing more.

If this guy is Marteen's close friend, he might not believe that he could or would do something like that. So, for this guy, it has to be something else. And this is the reason that just makes sense to him. Despite evidence otherwise.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I said first and foremost friend, and unless you think he's lying I don't see what your trying to say. 😬

Evaluate all the information, consider the source(s), think about things objectively, form a viable opinion. And dont troll like a 12 year old (complete with cute little mmm ) with his first unsupervised hour on a computer.

Lmao

Originally posted by Robtard
So it is looking more and more like it wasn't "Islamic terrorism", guy had rage and suspected he might have contracted HIV.

LoL at all the reactionaries like TI who were the first to cry the ISIS card before knowing more.

Punch you face!

You're an ignorant **** by typing this shit and actually believing it. The ******* that killed those 50 innocent people called the police and mentioned both ISIS and the Boston bombing. Yet you're coming here and try spinning this bullshit story and making light out of it.

News ****ing flash, the bastard was a ****ing terrorist that killed 50 people and injured even more. If there is a Hell, i hope the bastard and all the ignorant ****s that defends him to burn there for all of ****ing eternity.

This really boils down to the same thing as every discussion on the matter does. While I myself am tired of hearing about it from both sides, liberals in particular are desperately trying to make this about anything other than can-do-no-wrong-islam, when islam was clearly involved. At the very least, the shooter was influenced by religious pressure from his father, and I think it probably goes further than just that.

Why do people think he killed 50 people, and claimed it was in the name of ISIS? So that people would hate his islamic dad or something?

I imagine a middle ground can be established, and that these various motives are interlinked.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
@Nibedicus, that's one way of looking at it, but considering the drasticness of his action and him supposedly adopting radical Islamic views I can't help but feel homophobia was involved.

How? How was homophobia involved here? If the story is true, then this is literally the farthest thing from homophobia you can possibly find anywhere ever.

It's literally a gay man killing because he got spurned/used by other gay men. He wasn't fearful or hateful towards being gay. He loved being gay. He loved gay men. They just didn't love him back.

Saying this is homophobic is like saying ISIS is Islamophobic.

That is, if the story is true.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Because he supports his opinion with what the shooter apparently himself said? The guy said he was going to make them pay, then shot 50 gay people, make the connection. 😬

We have no reason to believe his opinion is the correct one. Saying "he told me he had HIV" doesn't mean the person ever said anything about HIV. Or maybe he did and this person is trying to use that as an excuse. A lot of times people don't want to admit someone they cared about is a monster.

Originally posted by Robtard
So it is looking more and more like it wasn't "Islamic terrorism", guy had rage and suspected he might have contracted HIV.

LoL at all the reactionaries like TI who were the first to cry the ISIS card before knowing more.

Lol@ you acting like this unsubstantiated claim by the gay lover overrides the claims the killer himself made. Is that a joke?

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I imagine a middle ground can be established, and that these various motives are interlinked.

That isn't what people who believe this story want though man. Or at least the majority of people who believe it(I'm not saying you are in that category). They do not want a middle ground, they want any excuse to say this had nothing to do with Islam lol. If there is a middle ground with this then they absolutely can't say that.

The killer flat out talked about his motives in a phone call. You could say the killer lied, but then we have no reason to believe if he told his friend he was pissed over possibly getting HIV that he was being any more truthful there.

Then as if we just entered the Twilight Zone, people bash one poster for being "reactionary" in assuming this was terrorism while at the same time being reactionary themselves the moment they hear "his gay lover totally says it wasn't terrorism".

Originally posted by SquallX
Punch you face!

You're an ignorant **** by typing this shit and actually believing it. The ******* that killed those 50 innocent people called the police and mentioned both ISIS and the Boston bombing. Yet you're coming here and try spinning this bullshit story and making light out of it.

News ****ing flash, the bastard was a ****ing terrorist that killed 50 people and injured even more. If there is a Hell, i hope the bastard and all the ignorant ****s that defends him to burn there for all of ****ing eternity.

Wow, a full blown meltdown.

There's apparently no links to this guy and a terrorist organization like ISIS. Sorry if the facts ruin it for you.

Who's defending this murderer? The knee-jerkery is astounding.

Originally posted by Surtur

Lol@ you acting like this unsubstantiated claim by the gay lover overrides the claims the killer himself made. Is that a joke?

Authorities so far have not been able to find any concrete ties connecting this guy to ISIS or another terrorist group. Unless you have some new info?

Originally posted by Robtard
Wow, a full blown meltdown.

There's apparently no links to this guy and a terrorist organization. Sorry if the facts ruin it for you.

Who's defending this guy? The knee-jerkery is astounding.

You don't need to be in an actual terrorist organization to commit an act of terror. So there haven't been any facts to show this wasn't Islamic terrorism.

Originally posted by Robtard
Authorities so far have not been able to find any concrete ties connecting this guy to ISIS or another terrorist group. Unless you have some new info?

Like I said, you actually do not need to belong to a specific group to commit an act of terror. I personally do not think he was a legit member, I think when he said he did it for ISIS it didn't mean he did it on the specific orders of ISIS.

The fact is he shouted out some terrorist groups as the reasons for his motivation for this attack.

LoL, prove a negative. "It's Islamic terrorism unless proven otherwise!".

You need to decide and pick one. Going on a murder spree is an act of terror, period. The angle being used that is looking less and less is that it was specifically "Islamic terrorism".

As noted before, he pledged allegiance over the phone to 9-11 with terrorist groups that happen to be in conflict with each other, so it seems like he was ranting like a lunatic. If he had pledged allegiance to France on the phone, would we say "he was a French terrorist"? No, we would not.

Don't get me wrong, I have no problem labeling "Islamic terrorism" when it actually is. Just looking less and less with this guy the more info that is learned.

Originally posted by Robtard
LoL, prove a negative. "It's Islamic terrorism unless proven otherwise!".

You need to decide and pick one. Going on a murder spree is an act of terror, period. The angle being used that is looking less and less is that it was specifically "Islamic terrorism".

As noted before, he pledged allegiance over the phone to 9-11 with terrorist groups that happen to be in conflict with each other, so it seems like he was ranting like a lunatic. So if he had pledged allegiance to France on the phone, would we say "he was a French terrorist"? No, we would not.

Yes I know the groups are in conflict with each other. Which is why I think he was just shouting out the names of various terrorist groups he hoped to impress with his act of terror.

I don't think he was in any of these groups, but I do think Islam is at the root of this. Now if you choose to believe Islam had zero to do with this..that is fine, but the story in this article didn't even come close to proving that.

You might as well accept the fact that we'll never truly know 100% why he did what he did. You also might as well accept a majority of people will believe Islam played at least some part in this.