Vandal Savage, Ras, & Ultra-Humanite vs Master of Worlds, Red Skull, & Grotesk

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Vandal Savage, Ras, & Ultra-Humanite vs Master of Worlds, Red Skull, & Grotesk

Three on three prep battle. 1 week of prep each.

Ultra Humanite wouldn't need the other 2. Guy was putting the likes of JLA/JSA to shame.

Team 1.

These fights are way more interesting to me than the ones involving characters like Superboy, Terrax, and Firelord. I don't know why they get so much attention on this board.

One week of prep for the Master? Guy makes clones of team one but with his mind to do his bidding. Are all his resources available like his base? If so...good luck team 1

His senses he literally could spy on the other team. He actually sensed where Magnus was hiding during Infinity War even though he is "from many realities removed from here (616)". He didn't do it with his technology, but his mind and eyes. That's a trans universal showing

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Ultra is above MOW. Humanite has done similar things I'm creating super powered beings. And his telepathy can work in another dimension. He doesn't need to be in the MU to telepathically mind **** team 2.

Above MOW? let's see some evidence. Has he made exact copies of Hulk, Hercules, Iron Fist, etc? Master's anti-telepathy tech stopped Talisman and Shaman reading his minions mind. They have shown to have galactic range.

To understand the level of advancement of the master's tech it took the combined intellect of Yellowjacket (Hank Pym), Iron Man (Tony Stark), Stingray and Black Knight working together to just barely understand it and still not be able to fully use it like the Master effortlessly does. His base stretched all across North America...literally. Even Kang couldn't stop his tech

Originally posted by -K-M-
Above MOW? let's see some evidence. Has he made exact copies of Hulk, Hercules, Iron Fist, etc? Master's anti-telepathy tech stopped Talisman and Shaman reading his minions mind. They have shown to have galactic range.

To understand the level of advancement of the master's tech it took the combined intellect of Yellowjacket (Hank Pym), Iron Man (Tony Stark), Stingray and Black Knight working together to just barely understand it and still not be able to fully use it like the Master effortlessly does. His base stretched all across North America...literally. Even Kang couldn't stop his tech

I'll post some links tonight, but Ultra has made armies to take on the classic lineups of JLA & JSA. He has also constructed his body to go toe to toe with the likes of Superman and Power Girl.

Here is Beatboks write up of him in one of my earlier threads. I think he's more impressive than Lex Luthor.

Completely and utterly disagree. Ultra is easily the closest thing DC has to a Doom equivalent. Top tier is the only way to describe him and here is why.

1. His ape body has been genetically modified to be in the physical league of Superman. Pre COIE he went toe to toe with E-2 Supes a few times and had the upper hand. post COIE he has beated Powergirl to a bloody pulp when mad and single handedly fought in physical battle Superman, Martian Manhunter and Guy Gardner._

2. His mental powers powers were shown to be at the peak levels of DC TPers. In early Infinity Inc he has telepathically controlled and dominated several members of Inf Inc from another dimension even though two of them had known TP resistance. He was also shown to be the telepathic equal to Brainwave Snr ( the same Brainwave who on debut before his powers fully matured telepathically pushed Spectre to go elsewhere for another perceived threat while implanting a suggested command in the rest of the JSA ( All Star Squadron 19). He also bested in TP battle MM, Hector Hammond, Gorilla Grodd and others and has telepathically controlled most of the worlds powerhouses at the same time. This was achieved because he developed devices to amp his TP or simply shut down a brain.

3._Prep_

With Prep Ultra has soloed the combined JSA and Infinity inc._

He has altered the cosmic balance so that all heroes on his Earth no longer existed

He has usurped the power of reality warpers ( 5th Dimensional Imps)

He has given super powers to ordinary humans. In All Star Squadron with his war on America he careated a few Super powered minion. One was Deathbolt a character who could generate limitelss electricity.. Amazing man who could alter his molecular Straucture, Cyclotron who had full control over atoms and could cause atomic blasts, restructure matter and fly etc, plus a Thor like Character.

He has acquired artifacts of power like the power stone and Hammer of Thor ( the former is actually how he gained his mental powers having absorbed it's power into his mind). Plus only just been stopped from acquiring the Helm of Nabu three times as I recall.

He has time manipulated an orchestrated many events to go just the way he wanted. His plans have almost brought down the combined JLA and JSA several times and he has been absolute ruler of Earth at least twice._

4._His inventions
in the 40's/50's
Robot's capable of fighting Superman_
Death rays
Force fields
Tekleporters
time machines
devices that control magma and volcanoes ( both active and inactive)
perfected brain transplants
developed deadly viruses that could wipe out most of Earths population

If you start adding in his inventions since he would be like adding Stark, Pym, and Hank ( Beast ) together. He may not be Reed or Doom but he's not far off. he makes Luthor look like an idiot.

The only reason he's lost each time has been because either_
a) Some villain or sap that he was using that he thought he had complete control over turned on him ( in some cases even though the control was due to threats on their closest ones or promises to save them from some medical ailment that only he had developed the cure to)

b) He was defeated because some street level hero he thought to insignificant to be a threat undermined his plan with some massive plot twist.

Didn't see anything that Master hasn't already done or couldn't do. Master could create an army of cloned heroes or use his Plodex army. His barrier walls circled entire cities and were created in moments. It was said he could have taken the world, the Avengers couldn't do anything to his tech and were in awe of it. Even Kang with his future armada army ran and was pushed back by the Master and Kang and his forces defeated everyone on the planet and became it's ruler.

He has also one-shot Namor with pressure points and broke Sasquatch's arm with a single move.

Are you talking about Power Girl #3? She was weakened from the power drain

BTW, DCnU Humanite is doing the same thing classic in orchestrating events behind the scenes to take over the world. He already was responsible for Alan giving up his MULTIVERSAL power. And he created an ARMY of super clones.

Earth 2 has been a great read since Dan Abnett took over. Highly recommend.

I read Earth 2 and yeah it's good, but are we merely combing all of UH's feats from all the previous timelines/crises as now were using an alternate earth UH?? as that does make a difference

No, I was just pointing out that UH is back.

I think Pre-Crisis UH would stomp team 2. His body was able to go toe to toe with PC characters and he had global, universal telepathy.

Speaking of creating super clones. Here the Master gave everyone in Canada super powers and made the country the most advanced in the world....and made it so the entire world didnt even know about it. This was 616 universe, but Alpha Flight with the help of the Dreamqueen erased this timeline

Ultra Humanites new batch of super powered beings own Earth 2 heroes.

So we are using a composite UH? Pre-crisis, post-crisis, alternate realities are all fair game and treated as one being? Or you just posting it to show a UH feat?

This is standard Ultra.

Originally posted by -K-M-
One week of prep for the Master? Guy makes clones of team one but with his mind to do his bidding. Are all his resources available like his base? If so...good luck team 1

His senses he literally could spy on the other team. He actually sensed where Magnus was hiding during Infinity War even though he is "from many realities removed from here (616)". He didn't do it with his technology, but his mind and eyes. That's a trans universal showing

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I dont see how any of this puts him above UH.
While I don' think Ulta solos he does counter Master pretty well.
Ultra empowered several beings to low herald level with his knowledge of genetics etc (amazingman, cycletron, deathbolt, genetically enhanced white ape body for himself).
He has also cloned its been shown on a few occasions that he hasnsevetal ape bodies ready as spares and has mind controller them.
He also has trans dimensional/time TP feats. Having TP one shot Brainwave Jnr from limbo while taking over 6 memebers of Infinty Inc. He did all this from Limbo a dimension that is supposed to sap the will of those in there (and has been shown that only He and Brainwave Snr seem capable of resisting it). In the same story he TP spoke to himself from a different decade.

Now one might argue that was pre COIE but the story of Generations saga was referenced several times in post COIE Inf Inc as well as the Ultra's war vs America referenced twice (at least ) in Young All Stars). This means that the story still takes placenand the TP assault from Limbo isnan intagral part of it.

Based on the feats you've mentiined for Master I'd say he and Ultra would be a pretty good Prep battle. Without prep I'd probably give a majority to master though.