Originally posted by Zack M
What the hell? Superman was going all out and was shocked it didn't do anything to Mongul.
Well you can't see it both ways. Either the solar system that he sneezed away was made of cocaine, which allowed him to sneeze it away, or Mongul was strong enough to replicate the feat even though not being able to do so to the very planet that he planted Superman on. This is why it's so very important for you to stop using PC characters. One second Superman is mightier than Galactus, and the next he's being beaten down by Savage Hulk level characters. There was no continuity in place to stop the drug addled writers of those days from writing just about anything that came to mind. So yeah, you can't just give Mongul Superman's best feats and pretend that he can do them despite never seeing what you're attempting to claim.
Originally posted by Stoic👆 thanks stoic. This is what most people don't consider when we talk about PC characters. Their levels of power fluctuated a lot.
Well you can't see it both ways. Either the solar system that he sneezed away was made of cocaine, which allowed him to sneeze it away, or Mongul was strong enough to replicate the feat even though not being able to do so to the very planet that he planted Superman on. This is why it's so very important for you to stop using PC characters. One second Superman is mightier than Galactus, and the next he's being beaten down by Savage Hulk level characters. There was no continuity in place to stop the drug addled writers of those days from writing just about anything that came to mind. So yeah, you can't just give Mongul Superman's best feats and pretend that he can do them despite never seeing what you're attempting to claim.
Originally posted by StoicI will agree with you here. That's like arguing that Thanos has Galaxy busting durability since he tanked Odins blasts. Or that Colossus has planet busting durability since he tanked some of Gladiator's shots. I can go on forever.
Well you can't see it both ways. Either the solar system that he sneezed away was made of cocaine, which allowed him to sneeze it away, or Mongul was strong enough to replicate the feat even though not being able to do so to the very planet that he planted Superman on. This is why it's so very important for you to stop using PC characters. One second Superman is mightier than Galactus, and the next he's being beaten down by Savage Hulk level characters. There was no continuity in place to stop the drug addled writers of those days from writing just about anything that came to mind. So yeah, you can't just give Mongul Superman's best feats and pretend that he can do them despite never seeing what you're attempting to claim.
We should always assume a character was operating at average levels in a comic (unless counter evidence is shown) when arguing ABC logic. But what was PC Superman's average strength? Most say it's greater than WWH's strength. Mountain shattering strength? Planet shattering strength? But That's up for debate.
Originally posted by Stoic
Well you can't see it both ways. Either the solar system that he sneezed away was made of cocaine, which allowed him to sneeze it away, or Mongul was strong enough to replicate the feat even though not being able to do so to the very planet that he planted Superman on. This is why it's so very important for you to stop using PC characters. One second Superman is mightier than Galactus, and the next he's being beaten down by Savage Hulk level characters. There was no continuity in place to stop the drug addled writers of those days from writing just about anything that came to mind. So yeah, you can't just give Mongul Superman's best feats and pretend that he can do them despite never seeing what you're attempting to claim.
We use average portrayals here. PC Superman was simply in another class.
Originally posted by deathslash
👆 thanks stoic. This is what most people don't consider when we talk about PC characters. Their levels of power fluctuated a lot.
For every low showing Superman had, he had like a billion good ones. ON AVERAGE, PC Superman was above most high heralds today. And Mongul beat him senseless.
You have to also look at Mongul's average. He lost to Superman ONCE. He also took out the JLA and Legion of Super-Heroes. Resisting every attack they had. Are you saying WW Hulk is above LOSH?
Originally posted by Stoic
Well you can't see it both ways. Either the solar system that he sneezed away was made of cocaine, which allowed him to sneeze it away, or Mongul was strong enough to replicate the feat even though not being able to do so to the very planet that he planted Superman on. This is why it's so very important for you to stop using PC characters. One second Superman is mightier than Galactus, and the next he's being beaten down by Savage Hulk level characters. There was no continuity in place to stop the drug addled writers of those days from writing just about anything that came to mind. So yeah, you can't just give Mongul Superman's best feats and pretend that he can do them despite never seeing what you're attempting to claim.
And that's why they scrapped him and the universe built around him, yet the fanboys can't let go of the past. The romanticized past, that is, a version of the past that never actually existed.
Originally posted by Zack M
For every low showing Superman had, he had like a billion good ones. ON AVERAGE, PC Superman was above most high heralds today. And Mongul beat him senseless.You have to also look at Mongul's average. He lost to Superman ONCE. He also took out the JLA and Legion of Super-Heroes. Resisting every attack they had. Are you saying WW Hulk is above LOSH?
"Billions of good ones?" Say goodbye to any credibility you hoped to have?