It annoyed me how poorly Dooku seemed to do against Anakin. I know he was a prodigy with the force and great with a saber but Dooku was trained by Yoda and Sidious, has bested so many brilliant Jedi and top 5-10 duelists ever material. Anakin was reckless and brash, The Count was refined and elegant. Dooku had great force use in combat and was agile. Anakin just had strength and it was enough to beat Dooku? Mm I guess I'm just a bit of a fanboy.
Originally posted by chingchangwalla
It annoyed me how poorly Dooku seemed to do against Anakin. I know he was a prodigy with the force and great with a saber but Dooku was trained by Yoda and Sidious, has bested so many brilliant Jedi and top 5-10 duelists ever material. Anakin was reckless and brash, The Count was refined and elegant. Dooku had great force use in combat and was agile. Anakin just had strength and it was enough to beat Dooku? Mm I guess I'm just a bit of a fanboy.
Anakin was hardly a chump technically, but his beating Dooku made sense given his character arc; it conveyed to the audience how powerful he had become and foreshadowed his surrender to the dark side.
It's hardly unrealistic - there comes a certain point where prodigiousness + some amount of training beats age and experience. Terence Tao at 18 was far more generally brilliant at mathematics than most tenured professors in the subject.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Because we can visually see that Anakin wasn't dominating him.
...no we can't? Dooku is backtracking, lacks the aristocratic look he usually puts on, can't mount any offensive, is forced to engage Anakin djem-so style, can't pull off any of his elegance, gets knocked back, and then basically stands there helplessly while Anakin takes his lightsaber. And this happens in a remarkably short amount of time - it takes Vader more time in ESB to defeat Luke when he takes his gloves off.
And since when was your assertion of something evidence for it? In what manner do you think the scene in the movie clearly contradicts the notion that the fight was one-sided? How are you privy to aspects of a fight between two Force-users that would hardly be easy to notice visually? Can you elaborate?
Its the same thing with Maul vs Sidious.
I know you're being facetious but there are people who actually believe this, and don't notice that Sidious is just dancing around, laughing, and giving up instances where he could easily end the fight - like at the very beginning where he ragdolls Maul and Oppress both. The only exception is when Maul goes into a rage after his brother's death and does make Sidious sweat for a few seconds, but you can clearly tell from Sidious's facial expressions, as well as Maul getting some licks in and matching his ground, none of which Dooku accomplishes.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Anakin was hardly a chump technically, but his beating Dooku made sense given his character arc; it conveyed to the audience how powerful he had become and foreshadowed his surrender to the dark side.It's hardly unrealistic - there comes a certain point where prodigiousness + some amount of training beats age and experience. Terence Tao at 18 was far more generally brilliant at mathematics than most tenured professors in the subject.
Yeah I know he was still technically solid in combat but Dooku was spectacular. So it was mainly all just for the plot? If Anakin and the Count were lesser characters, but still kept all their power would Anakin still win?
"The only exception is when Maul goes into a rage after his brother's death and does make Sidious sweat for a few seconds"
God that fight was sweet. Savage was outclassed so hard by Sidious it was unbelievable and so was Maul until his brother did die. Sidious looked Genuinely challenged but was always going to win, he had his force power to fall back on
Originally posted by FreshestSliceSometimes hype > Feats.
Kind of like how he hasn't proven how powerful Ragnos is supposed to be.
If you can't accept that, ever, then I dunno what to tell you, just go on thinking he's weak asf.
The rest of us with common sense can actually take hype seriously.
And its because everyone else has already proven that point, go debate against Stealth Moose or Skillz about that shit.
Originally posted by FreshestSliceAcknowledge the hype and I'll acknowledge your argument.
Provide evidence, any evidence, or stop replying.
Ignoring it COMPLETELY just makes you look stupid.
You, Ellimist, and JKBart refuse to acknowledge the Ancient Sith as anything more then Fodder, regardless of claims.
Ragnos was known as "the most powerful of the most powerful" of the Ancient Sith.
Hord defeated 1,000 Jedi, and was able to move a ship the size of the Endar Spire.
As well as having the accolades from Kreia as the finest swordsman of the Ancient Sith.
Ragnos is (by claim) above that, and the rest.
Muur tooled Krayt, and I don't need to speak for Kun.
Anakin has better feats and hype. J
And below Kun.
That's cool. A source besides his fanboy? Vaylin has better TK and she's clearly below the higher ups.
That's nice. It's been dozens of millennia.
And so is Kun.
Kun isn't an ancient Sith, and Krayt was almost a Vong beast. But then again, you'd need evidence to know that.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Anakin has better feats and hype. JAnd below Kun.
That's cool. A source besides his fanboy? Vaylin has better TK and she's clearly below the higher ups.
That's nice. It's been dozens of millennia.
And so is Kun.
Kun isn't an ancient Sith, and Krayt was almost a Vong beast. But then again, you'd need evidence to know that.
See, again. You disagree with Hype, you somehow need solid feats to justify any argument, when you know there is none, which is why its pointless to debate with you when you know that a lot of the Ancient Sith don't have many solid feats, they thrive off hype, claims, and accolades.
Lol, what has Vaylin did that is above that?
She lost to Senya despite Senya repeatedly saying over and over that Arcann and his siblings are all more powerful then her, but nah, I guess shes somehow above Hord.
Kun is considered an Ancient due to his shit with Nadd.