Istanbul Terrorist attack-28 dead, 60 injured

That reminds me, Obama is in his final stretch of his presidency, he should be declaring marshal law and day now to suspend the election so he can remain in power indefinitely. Cos Jade Helm or something.

Originally posted by Robtard
Not that I really disagree with either of you, but then wouldn't the "oppressors" said freedom fighters/terrorist are fighting against be guilty of the same crimes and therefore label of "terrorist" themselves?

Just to be clear are you saying that the people who oppose the IRA(to use your example) make it a habit of going around randomly blowing shit up? Murdering government officials they don't agree with? Murdering children?

Since yes I'd agree someone doing that would be a terrorist. Though I don't think people like the British government make child murder a habit. Or that the government murdered the children of IRA members. Or that they just indiscriminately plant bombs around their cities.

Originally posted by Surtur
Just to be clear are you saying that the people who oppose the IRA(to use your example) make it a habit of going around randomly blowing shit up? Murdering government officials they don't agree with? Murdering children?

Since yes I'd agree someone doing that would be a terrorist. Though I don't think people like the British government make child murder a habit. Or that the government murdered the children of IRA members. Or that they just indiscriminately plant bombs around their cities.

Pretty sure the IRA has accused the British government of like abuses. Maybe not recently, but back in the 60-70's when the tension was high.

Originally posted by Robtard
That reminds me, Obama is in his final stretch of his presidency, he should be declaring marshal law and day now to suspend the election so he can remain in power indefinitely. Cos Jade Helm or something.

At this point who knows what the guy will do? You know how they say a wounded animal can be dangerous? He's obviously pissed his plan to grant illegals some temporary legal status failed. Do you know how many millions of votes that probably cost poor Hilary?

Originally posted by Robtard
Pretty sure the IRA has accused the British government of like abuses. Maybe not recently, but back in the 60-70's when the tension was high.

You think back in the 60's and 70's the British government was murdering the children of IRA members? As well as doing things like setting off dozens upon dozens of bombs in random places?

I think it's pretty safe to say Obama's not going to declare marshal law and suspend the election to set himself up as forever president/ruler. That's the belief of lunatics, imo.

I said the IRA has accused. I personally don't know.

But let's get back to topic, we derailed it with going off track when the PKK was mentioned.

Let's beat around the bush some more.

FYI, Rob you might be wrong again. Better play it safe.

Last time it was a gay thing, this time what will it be?

Okay but I'd be surprised if you took the accusations seriously unless evidence was provided. Which child murder would be a big deal, even if it happened decades ago.

But yes we should get back on topic. Any actual confirmation on who did this?

It doesn't matter, if you say it was ISIS, they won't agree, they will say it was a gay thing. Only later on to be found wrong.

Well the PKK have used suicide bombs in the past. So I don't think anyone could really argue this wasn't terrorism. The only question is which terror group did it?

Interestingly enough after reading about the PKK on wiki I found this:

"The PKK has never been designated as a terrorist organization by the UN, though two out of five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council treat it as such on an individual basis."

So if it is the PKK I assume the UN will fully designate them a terrorist organization?

Merged dupe threads.

I have a friend whose cousin (and good friend) is getting married in Turkey in early August. She was already hedging on attending bc it's on the terrorist watch list and has had considerable unrest. I haven't spoken to her since this, but I'm guessing she isn't going now.

I'm hosting a party that same weekend, and while I realize it would be selfish to say I'm glad she'll be at my party instead, it's mostly bc I don't like the idea of my friends in places that they're fearful of.

I also realize that my anecdote pales in comparison to the larger political issues and tragedy of the event. But we can't all have profound thoughts on every subject. Sometimes just being glad of your friend's safety is all the stance you can offer.

Originally posted by Surtur

You think back in the 60's and 70's the British government was murdering the children of IRA members? As well as doing things like setting off dozens upon dozens of bombs in random places?

The UK government directly killed unarmed civilians on bloody Sunday and colluded with paramilitary groups opposed to the IRA to murder members and their families.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32887445

So yes.

Originally posted by jaden101
The UK government directly killed unarmed civilians on bloody Sunday and colluded with paramilitary groups opposed to the IRA to murder members and their families.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1972)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-32887445

So yes.

The government isn't murdering children or planting bombs on the scale of the IRA. So no, they are not terrorists and yep the IRA are. Bloody Sunday wasn't terrorism. Or if it was then Kent State was too.

Or if they are a terrorist organization, then literally every country in existence is just a terrorist organization, correct? Is that the claim here? That every major country on Earth right now has a government that could be considered a terrorist organization?

Fascinating since if true..what room would we have to whine about terrorism? It'd be like a radical Islamist whining about suicide bombings, it would make no sense.

Oh and btw, authorities think it was the "Islamic State" that committed this act of terror. Now Jaden pull your jaw up off the floor I know that is shocking.

Originally posted by Surtur
The government isn't murdering children or planting bombs on the scale of the IRA. So no, they are not terrorists and yep the IRA are. Bloody Sunday wasn't terrorism. Or if it was then Kent State was too.

Or if they are a terrorist organization, then literally every country in existence is just a terrorist organization, correct? Is that the claim here? That every major country on Earth right now has a government that could be considered a terrorist organization?

Fascinating since if true..what room would we have to whine about terrorism? It'd be like a radical Islamist whining about suicide bombings, it would make no sense.

Oh and btw, authorities think it was the "Islamic State" that committed this act of terror. Now Jaden pull your jaw up off the floor I know that is shocking.

So the UK government's soldiers shot and killed unarmed boys that were under 18 years old. They funded, colluded with and had paid agents working with and for the UVF (classified as a terrorist organisation) yet that's not terrorism?

Originally posted by jaden101
So the UK government's soldiers shot and killed unarmed boys that were under 18 years old. They funded, colluded with and had paid agents working with and for the UVF (classified as a terrorist organisation) yet that's not terrorism?

First off Bloody Sunday, from what I have seen, wasn't planned. They didn't go there intending to murder some people. In a documentary I saw it was claimed that people had begun throwing rocks, bottles, and other things at soldiers prior to the shooting. Though Bloody Sunday was not what the documentary was about so it didn't go into massive detail. I am also not necessarily saying the soldiers were justified either, though I will say that a rock or glass bottle can actually seriously injure someone if thrown with enough force.

So I don't see how that is terrorism. A tragedy yes..terrorism no. Would you label the Kent State shooting where 4 students died as a terrorist act?

As for the funding of the UVF yes I think that is bad, but I just don't think it really compares to the IRA when it comes to the sheer amount of terrorist attacks they committed and the sheer amount of innocent people they murdered.

So I wouldn't see the British government, as a whole, as a terrorist group. I can't make that same claim about the IRA. Also just looking it up on IRA..they are still up to these kinds of things in the present day.

They're more gangsters now than anything. Still attacks and murders but it's not publicised for the sake of the "peace process" (a shambles that allows numerous scum from either side to escape justice in the name of peace)

There's no doubt that the UK government was effectively a state sponsor of terrorism towards their own citizens though. The UVF and others carried out almost 1000 murders over the course of the troubles, many of which were done by paid government agents, British army soldiers who were members and royal ulster constabulary who were also members.

Last I heard on news radio (yesterday evening), ISIS is being blamed due to the way the attacks were carried out.

Are you sure it's not a gay thing like you thought the last time?

Originally posted by Digi
I have a friend whose cousin (and good friend) is getting married in Turkey in early August. She was already hedging on attending bc it's on the terrorist watch list and has had considerable unrest. I haven't spoken to her since this, but I'm guessing she isn't going now.

I'm hosting a party that same weekend, and while I realize it would be selfish to say I'm glad she'll be at my party instead, it's mostly bc I don't like the idea of my friends in places that they're fearful of.

I also realize that my anecdote pales in comparison to the larger political issues and tragedy of the event. But we can't all have profound thoughts on every subject. Sometimes just being glad of your friend's safety is all the stance you can offer.