Ancient Sith above Vader?

Originally posted by Nephthys
Force: Kun, Nihilus, Traya (Giga-drain possibility) Vitiate (if counted), Hord, Muur, Dread Masters, Jadus (possibly), Malgus (possibly), Nadd (possibly).

Also for people who are saying Muur can take him, should that extend to Ajunta Pall as well?

This.

Freshest, your advice is nice and all but it only applies when someone's particular bias is in play.

Vader did look awful against old Ben.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Like how he killed Scourge with a gesture and easily detected and caught Meetra's saber throw without a nexus?

The novel makes it explicitly clear that Vitiate would have smoked them even with Revan in the picture in an actual fight. Lord Scourge experienced a very strong vision of this confrontation while he slept in the cave and the outcome was not pretty for him and his allies in it. Earlier, Lord Scourge felt confident that Revan could handle Vitiate after watching him destroying Darth Nyriss with barely an effort. However, his visions began to confuse him and he eventually balked.

You underestimate (novel) Vitiate way too much. He would utterly humiliate Darth Vader and more.

I have a lot of respect for Neph tbh, but Traya being on his list makes me want to drive a spike through my head.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Like how he killed Scourge with a gesture and easily detected and caught Meetra's saber throw without a nexus?

You mean like how Sidious mind****ed Leia when she tried to judo throw him, or how he blew Vaders arms off, or levitated out of the shaft or killed Han Solo with a thought?

Originally posted by Emperordmb
I have a lot of respect for Neph tbh, but Traya being on his list makes me want to drive a spike through my head.

Giga-drain.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Aside from Vitiate, and Kun on a good day, none of them. I'm sure they where powerful enough in their own times, but they've got nothing to support them but legends by followers who perceive anything they do as godly, though I'm sure this thread will continue to prove the obvious that KMC cares more about opinions than actual facts.

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In other words, FEATS FEATS FEATS... BUT RUMORS WILL DO JUST FINE WHEN I NEED THEM TO

Don't we have a pretty direct comparison between Vader and Muur tho?

Not to my knowledge? I do recall Vader musing that joining Muur would just potentially be trading one Master for another.

But that's also Vader weeks after ROTS.

What made Vader say this? Did he just sense Muur's power or something?

Originally posted by MS Warehouse
This.

Freshest, your advice is nice and all but it only applies when someone's particular bias is in play.

Murr > sidious confirmed.

Originally posted by Petrus
What made Vader say this? Did he just sense Muur's power or something?

It's in the comic where he finds Celeste Morne.

Edit: wrong thread

That wasn't peak Vader.

^^^

That wasn't peak Karness Muur either.

Based on what exactly?

Still, if we are to take Vader's interpretation of Muur's power as valid, that would mean he's at least > RotS Vader.

Vitiate is clearly above Vader. So is Revan, if we're counting him.

Kun and Ragnos should be around Vader's level.

Hord, Nadd, Sadow, Pall, and Muur should be slightly below.

Originally posted by Petrus
Still, if we are to take Vader's interpretation of Muur's power as valid, that would mean he's at least > RotS Vader.

Originally posted by FreshestSlice
No it doesn't. It's post RotS Vader. They aren't the same thing.

You're right. It means post-RotS Vader < Karness Muur.