Originally posted by NotAllThatEvil
I feel like this is similar to the wolverine vs winter soldier thread. WW is a better fighter but has no way to put apocslypse down.
Well if she can break through his shields, I don't doubt she can cut off his head. I don't think he can heal from that. Question then is whether she can break through the shields and survive his molecular onslaught.
To be fair, he never demolecularized any living thing that I recall. So he'll probably be relegated to making quick sand for her which she should be able to get out of.
Originally posted by carthage
He turned angels wings into metal, so yeah he can affect living tissue. Diana also isn't more powerful than the combined attacks of Magneto, Storm, and Cyclops- it took Phoenix to overwhelm his shields Diana isn't on the level of molecular disintegration
And yet he never once was able to disintegrate a living being while in combat. So unless you suggest that he's giving Wonder Woman metal wings, we don't have any feats to suggest he can attack WW directly with molecule manipulation. It will have to be done on her surroundings.
I also consider Superman's raw attack power greater than Storm and Cyclops. And considering that WW's sword was able to cut through DD whereas Superman's attacks left no dent, I'm willing to put WW strength + sword as more... penetrating.. than Superman's attacks.
Magneto's attacks can be powerful, but in the end he's just throwing metal on Apoc. Earth-based metal. And as long as Apoc's shields are stronger than earth-based metals then it doesn't matter how strong Magneto is, he isn't penetrating that shield.
Re: Apocalypse vs. Wonder Woman
Originally posted by Stigma
Setting: The place where the DC Trinity fought Doomsday.Standard gear and morals.
Starting distance: 30 feet
She can move 30ft in fractions of seconds. He never lead with a shield and you didn't state he has them up already, she could take his head off and end it quickly.
Originally posted by FrothByte
And yet he never once was able to disintegrate a living being while in combat. So unless you suggest that he's giving Wonder Woman metal wings, we don't have any feats to suggest he can attack WW directly with molecule manipulation. It will have to be done on her surroundings.I also consider Superman's raw attack power greater than Storm and Cyclops. And considering that WW's sword was able to cut through DD whereas Superman's attacks left no dent, I'm willing to put WW strength + sword as more... penetrating.. than Superman's attacks.
Magneto's attacks can be powerful, but in the end he's just throwing metal on Apoc. Earth-based metal. And as long as Apoc's shields are stronger than earth-based metals then it doesn't matter how strong Magneto is, he isn't penetrating that shield.
Except we know he can affect wings per his showing on Angel, And can also feats things out of Thin air as he did to Magnetos helmet. You haven't shown anything I suggest Diana can resist being morphed into the ground like Quicksilver, and she has no feats even suggesting she's encountered those sorts of powers.
Superman wasnt disintegrating metal with his blows, nor was he Powerful enough to level multiple cities or considered a planetary threat. Magneto decimated Sydney and San Francisco/wouldve slowed down the landmasses of Earth and Apocalypse leveled Cairo and turned it into a massive pyramid. These feats are above anything Kal El has Shown, so no unless Superman can do more than punch either mutant has better destructive power.
Also you're wrong the only thing shown to Destroy Apocalypses shields was a telekinetic that utterly disintegrated him from Phoenix. Wonder Woman belong against Doomsday is nice, but there is no evidence she can penetrate a force field with her blade. She'd probably just bounce off it or be unable to harm him T all, her power set is nowhere new as devastating as Phoenix's was
Re: Re: Apocalypse vs. Wonder Woman
Originally posted by Time-Immemorial
She can move 30ft in fractions of seconds. He never lead with a shield and you didn't state he has them up already, she could take his head off and end it quickly.
Which really isn't as impressive as Quicksilver vacating 50 people from a building in second before an explosion, he could easily perceive her speed and morph her leg into the ground
Someone actually did the calcs for QS's mansion clearing feat, and it came out to something absolutely ridiculous, like Mach 112,500 odd. They tracked down the building that was used, got the dimensions, figured out the distance traveled, and also used things like the honey bee flapping its wings (which is usually like 230 beats per second). So, based on their calcs, QS's top shown speed so far is just over 10% the speed of light. Anyway, that is kind of off topic, but just wanted to point out the speed difference in opponents here.
I'm just relaying someone else's info. But that guy actually went to the extent of working out the area the building covered, what QS's reactions were in relation to the bee compared to a regular human, and a bunch of other stuff. WAY too much time on his hands IMO. Either way, his speed is well beyond anything WW can muster. But then I don't think anyone ever questioned that, so guess this post is pretty much pointless. 😆
Looked at the YT vid. Guy did a ton of assumptions on his calcs and a got a few things wrong. The manor was DEF NOT 349 m2, for example. I live in a house that's close to 300m2 footprint and it certainly isn't close to as big as the englefield house. More like 1500m2 footprint (likely over 2x that counting all the floors) from just looking at it as I'm too lazy to research right now. Simply doubling supersuperspeed was lazily done, etc.
Funny thing was I remember coming up with around 1/10th c in one of my calculations but decided to abandon it as it required quite a bit of extrapolation on my part, too.
Well, that and the fact that 1/10th c was too much of a hard sell to use in debates.