Originally posted by chingchangwalla
That's what I thought but after seeing these answers, he must be. Beating Grievous through pure offensive might counts for nothing? And Ashoka is beating Saesee Tiin and Agen Kolar? Because Fisto is more skilled than them and lasted longer against Sidious.
An injured pre prime Grievous*
Originally posted by Emperordmb
Nobody is arguing she is on Darth Vader's level or that she stalemated Vader, but she doesn't need to be on Vader's level to tear Fisto a new one.I mean Ventress beat Fisto, and she got creamed by Dooku much worse than Ahsoka did by Vader.
I was actually going to make the argument that Dooku had innate knowledge of Ventress's fighting style but I just realized the same applies to Ahsoka. Granted she had years apart from her master to develop but that's still an enormous boon in Vader's favor. My opinion of Ahsoka has been raised greatly...
Originally posted by chingchangwalla
Lol, Pre prime Kit and Kit gave him Those injuries
Except we know Kit has a lifetime of experience while Grievous had only been training with Dooku since the beginning of the Clone Wars.
It's been a while since I've see that episode but I don't believe it was Kit who gave him those injuries to begin with. If someone could confirm this it'd be greatly appreciated.
Originally posted by Syndicate
Except we know Kit has a lifetime of experience while Grievous had only been training with Dooku since the beginning of the Clone Wars.It's been a while since I've see that episode but I don't believe it was Kit who gave him those injuries to begin with. If someone could confirm this it'd be greatly appreciated.
Which injuries? Where Mace crushes his chest?
Originally posted by chingchangwalla
You can argue about the training time of Grievous but he had shit programmed into his brain, training didn't matter a great deal
Yes it did. Programming can't help to counter something Grievous has no knowledge on which is why he needed to be trained and taught by Dooku. Otherwise what's the point of training and spars?
Originally posted by chingchangwallaYes but that was only to the point he was able to make a decent replica of it. He still needs to understand the form's weakness to better counter it and perfect his own use of it as his sentient mind and his computer mind need to be in sync to perform in combat properly.
Not exactly the case. He learned Gaypad on the fly when fighting against Mace
Originally posted by Syndicate
Yes but that was only to the point he was able to make a decent replica of it. He still needs to understand the form's weakness to better counter it and perfect his own use of it as his sentient mind and his computer mind need to be in sync to perform in combat properly.
Point taken but he wouldn't need as much training as an average Jedi or sith.
Originally posted by Syndicate
I was actually going to make the argument that Dooku had innate knowledge of Ventress's fighting style but I just realized the same applies to Ahsoka. Granted she had years apart from her master to develop but that's still an enormous boon in Vader's favor. My opinion of Ahsoka has been raised greatly...
But then it's noted as I recall, that Ahsoka would know Vader's fighting style too...which I still don't see how either of these things make sense but w/e.
Originally posted by Zenwolf
But then it's noted as I recall, that Ahsoka would know Vader's fighting style too...which I still don't see how either of these things make sense but w/e.
Fair enough and the difference between examples like Ventress and Dooku and Galen and Vader is that Sith masters aren't as trusting as Jedi so they would of course not reveal their true strength when training their students ( if they could help it ) along with hiding a few tricks as is mentioned with Dooku in regards to Grievous. Then again Vader himself would have developed, would have actually been forced to develop because of the suit.
It's interesting to think about for sure.