Sigh... this kind of logic kind of fails.
Pre52 Diana has kept up with faster characters then the New52 Barry. I'm asking for why Diana is thought to be more powerful in the New52 not who she's fought against but actual personal feats.
God of Strength Superman didn't have no control over his powers when he fought Diana. What I meant with writers having to weaken Superman with context.
I'm sticking with Pre52 Diana.
Originally posted by EcstaticGrace
Sigh... this kind of logic kind of fails.If we went with this logic Aquaman fought Grodd who fought Flash so he has Flash speed. Flash is faster then Kara, Diana pretty much anyone in the DCU regardless
Pre52 Diana has kept up with faster characters then the New52 Barry. I'm asking for why Diana is thought to be more powerful in the New52 not who she's fought against but actual personal feats.
God of Strength Superman didn't have no control over his body.
I'm sticking with Pre52 Diana.
Thing have better strength fts than Odin. Fts are good but at some point, who the opponents has faced and defeated trumps that.
God of Strength didn't have any control? What make you say this?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Same point, however. Superman was not used to his additional power. Just because you give me a brand new sports car, doesn't mean I will suddenly be winning NASCAR races out of the box.
So there's proof that he didn't know how to punch hard or move fast when he had 2? Scans
Originally posted by carver9
So there's proof that he didn't know how to punch hard or move fast when he had 2? Scans
Proof's right there.
Batman, who has studied Superman before, now with an ADDITIONAL upgrade as the God of Knowledge, says that Superman was not adjusted to the power.
I never said he didn't know how to punch. Stop trying to throw red herrings.
On the forum, we don't use mind-controlled fights as proof. You know this. You have argued this, many times.
So why are you using it now, when it suits you?
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
Proof's right there.Batman, who has studied Superman before, now with an ADDITIONAL upgrade as the God of Knowledge, says that Superman was not adjusted to the power.
I never said he didn't know how to punch. Stop trying to throw red herrings.
On the forum, we don't use mind-controlled fights as proof. You know this. You have argued this, many times.
So why are you using it now, when it suits you?
Was he stronger and faster or not?
Originally posted by carver9
Thing have better strength fts than Odin. Fts are good but at some point, who the opponents has faced and defeated trumps that.God of Strength didn't have any control? What make you say this?
What Batman says after Wonder Woman lassos Supes.
It's not who has the more feats, it who has the better feats. If Odin doesn't have any strength feats or statements suggesting he's stronger then Thing then I wouldn't say he was but that's not the case as far as I'm aware.
Originally posted by carver9
He was punching and using heat vision. His basic power. It's not like he was doing spirit bombs or something.
What's suppose to be abundantly impressive about that though?
Wonder Woman's bracers have taken Omega Beams
She took Rao's heat vision aka Krypton's God
Other then that it was like one hit GOS Superman got on her? They really didn't trade blows. She subdued him but it's hardly a win since he wasn't 100% of his powers suggested by the God of Knowledge.
None of it makes her superior to Pre52 Diana though.
Originally posted by DarkSaint85
God of STRENGTH (shame, SmellyHymen) Supes was not used to his body, from what I got from it.In other words, I disregarded it for the same reason we disregard mindcontrolled characters, i.e they are not at full capacity.
Originally posted by celeyhyga17
For me it depends. Mind controlled for example is not the same across the board. Different kinds of mind trickery. There's illusions, simple suggestions, direct control, etc... Can't fully dismiss these showings.
I'll second that, if it's mind tampering in a way that doesn't effect one's abilities (powers,skills,etc) then I don't think it should me dismissed, but when powers seem to be affected then I think we should be a bit more hesitant.
I agree Wonder Woman took some amped solar pit Heat vision I won't discount that but in regards to beating Superman (Atleast in the sense that matters) I don't see the Darkseid Wars thing is a valid showing. (No trading blows, no grapples, not really anything concrete on the speed front even)