I don't remember Apoc having power output to take out someone like Thor or Vision. I know he can dismantle structures and all but what's he going to do, entomb Thor and Vision in a pyramid? Won't they just power out through that?
Anyway, I'm open to being corrected. Apoc's shields were pretty strong, but Vision can probably phase through it.
Originally posted by carthage
Because he hasn't phased through a force field yet, and even if he did Apocalypse would instantly tag him the moment he became corporeal and BFR him with telekinesis or mold him into the ground.He doesn't have the damage output to hurt him anyway
Mystique easily slashed through Apoc's windpipe. Nothing Apoc has shown depicts him having a degree of invulnerability, so I do think Vision has plenty of power to hurt Apoc, and that's not even including Thor, SW and IM. Also, what telekinesis are you talking about? Remind me again where Apoc used TK?
Originally posted by FrothByte
Mystique easily slashed through Apoc's windpipe. Nothing Apoc has shown depicts him having a degree of invulnerability, so I do think Vision has plenty of power to hurt Apoc, and that's not even including Thor, SW and IM. Also, what telekinesis are you talking about? Remind me again where Apoc used TK?
She slashed through his windpipe disguised as one of his Horsemen? 😕. He didn't know it was her and he instantly healed from that, and was also regenerating from being impaled/all of the mutants attacks and would've escaped if not for Phoenix. Cyclops noted he was going to teleport away and even said they couldn't stop him, Uh no Vision's best feat is taking down an airport tower which even Rookie Cyclops can replicate. Likewise Thor isn't powerful to break his shields when his feats of destruction pale in comparison to Magneto's
He utilized telekinesis when he lifted the pyramid at the end of DOFP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EywrnmHS73o
That's not even counting the fact they have no response for his transmutation powers
Apocalypse on the other hand, has absolutely no respons to Visions Intangibility, not that I recall at least. I highly doubt that Vision will be unable to simply phase through the shield of Apocalypse, alternatively if he can't what stops Vision from phasing through the ground, come up from underneath Apoc, put his hand into Apocs head and turn solid?
Originally posted by FrothByte
So Apoc makes an awesome engineer/carpenter. Has he ever used that kind of power offensively?
I don't doubt he can use his TK offensively when needed. And his power output would destroy anyone on the Avenger team. Most every other Avenger may well pretty much die quickly.
However, like you said, he may well have no answer to Vision's intangibility. And Vision HAS used his intangibility in combat like when he used if to tear an Ultron drone apart. There is no reason to think the shield would block Vision's phasing. Closest I can think if is Apoc technopathy, but Vision has "feats" of resisting being hacked so that's out.
I think the question here would be if Apoc would survive Vision's initial phase attack (and many would think so as he didn't die even when massively impaled) and retaliate when Vision solidifies.
However, if Vision simply enters the shield and uses his mind gem beam, Apoc has no on screen answer to that. Although I don't remember him ever being able to shoot it while intangible.
Edit. Well, one way tactic I imagine would work is if he dominated Wanda and used her powers to overload Vision's however she did it. But, admittedly, that's a bit of a stretch.