Darth Nihilus vs Galen Marek

Here's the third-party quote.

"The Ravager was hauled from the gravity well at Malachor V by its new master. He used it to escape imprisonment on Malachor V."

--Knights of the Old Republic II (credit to DarthAnt66)

Kinda ambiguous.

Yep, it's basically the same as the Sun Crusher feat in that regard.

Another thing to note is that he used the ship to leave the planet once he pulled it out of the well. In other words, it's not like he was hauling a Star Destroyer through the sky like some people try to sell. 👆

Did the well encompass the planet, like how far did he hull it before he could get in it? Is there any estimation of how strong the well was?

None of the above are confirmed.

The more extreme interpretation is that the well was so powerful the ship's engines couldn't overpower it so Nihilus needed to use his TK, which could potentially put this beyond Luke/Kyp's black hole feat. But it could also just be that he activated its controls.

All this is proving why Nihilus is a awful character for the Battle Forum; dude is just too ambiguous and these threads just turns into pure guess-work at best, and laughable conjecture at worst.

Also, doesn't help his feats doesn't back up his place in the mythos. Ravager lifting, and planet eating aside, Traya only said he could rival the ancient Sith --- meaning, he wasn't there yet, and even if he was, it was still extremely close, which given his feats, shouldn't be a thing.

Then we have Meetra saying Revan > Nihilus, which again, doesn't align with his showings....

Originally posted by Deronn_solo
All this is proving why Nihilus is a awful character for the Battle Forum; dude is just too ambiguous and these threads just turns into pure guess-work at best, and laughable conjecture at worst.

👆

Originally posted by The Ellimist
The more extreme interpretation is that the well was so powerful the ship's engines couldn't overpower it so Nihilus needed to use his TK, which could potentially put this beyond Luke/Kyp's black hole feat. But it could also just be that he activated its controls.

Well, it could also be like the Gravestone feat from KOTFE. The Gravestone was lodged in a marsh and couldn't lift off, so the Outlander/Senya/Lana gave it a "push" to help get it in the air.

Speaking of ambiguous things...how are people saying the Strike Team against Revan was anything impressive for either side?

On one side, you have one guy fighting against several combatants...yet he couldn't kill any of them despite he's suppose to be this powerful guy.

The other side you have the several combatants, yet if we go by above then why is defeating him anything special?

So....what exactly is the deal with this fight?

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Speaking of ambiguous things...how are people saying the Strike Team against Revan was anything impressive for either side?

On one side, you have one guy fighting against several combatants...yet he couldn't kill any of them despite he's suppose to be this powerful guy.

The other side you have the several combatants, yet if we go by above then why is defeating him anything special?

So....what exactly is the deal with this fight?

The answer to this thread rests upon wether Galen has an answer to Nhillus' drain or not.

I don't see why he should, so he does in fact get drained.

Marek oneshots

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
If we look at the context of the cutscenes, it doesn't look like it was an easily won fight, so there's that.

But...there's only 2 cutscenes? I mean yeah, he pushes them all back but I don't think that really says much in the grand scheme of things. The last one just has Revan on the ground, the Strike Team just standing there with no indication of well...any wounds.

Originally posted by Zenwolf
Speaking of ambiguous things...how are people saying the Strike Team against Revan was anything impressive for either side?

On one side, you have one guy fighting against several combatants...yet he couldn't kill any of them despite he's suppose to be this powerful guy.

The other side you have the several combatants, yet if we go by above then why is defeating him anything special?

So....what exactly is the deal with this fight?

Revan's defenders claim that Light Revan protected the Strike Team.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Revan's defenders claim that Light Revan protected the Strike Team.

So we can assume things now? Is there any basis for such a claim?

Originally posted by Zenwolf
So we can assume things now? Is there any basis for such a claim?

Somewhat. But I've always held that the feat, however impressive, is blown out of proportion. Revan's TK at the beginning clearly caught them off-guard despite the horrible animations, since if the Jedi put up Barriers to weaken the attack, then the non-Force sensitives, who couldn't do that, should've been killed on the spot, but they were unharmed. So yeah, it's really not that great.

Originally posted by carthage
Marek oneshots

Originally posted by SunRazer
Somewhat. But I've always held that the feat, however impressive, is blown out of proportion. Revan's TK at the beginning clearly caught them off-guard despite the horrible animations, since if the Jedi put up Barriers to weaken the attack, then the non-Force sensitives, who couldn't do that, should've been killed on the spot, but they were unharmed. So yeah, it's really not that great.

👆 Yeah. Sort of like how Yoda knocked Sidious on his ass, heck Ahsoka TK'd Vader.

Having been refreshed on Nihilus with my KOTOR 2 playthrough, I side with Marek without reservation. Nihilus's TK feats have been largely suspect, his dueling skills even moreso. And there's no evidence to suggest he can apply his drain in combat against a prepared adversary, let alone one of Marek's caliber. {Note that he stunned the Exile and co. before he attacked and he only ever usurped Traya with Sion's presence.}

And if Marek can hide himself in the Force, he probably does literally oneshot.