Meetra Surik vs Asajji Ventress

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Meetra Surik vs Asajji Ventress

Stipulations: Nothing outside of KOTOR 2 is allowed to be taken into consideration for Surik. Accolades and feats within said game are to be scaled equally.

1. Force.
2. All out.

1. Even if people bring up Surik's lack of offensive Force feats, if Traya couldn't overpower Surik on a "colossal geyser of dark side energy", Ventress doesn't stand a chance of winning, lol.

2. People will probably go for Ventress here, tbh.

I'm going with Ventress. Meetra's best feat, beating armies of sith, even if we take that gameplay facet literally, is a somewhat above Hoth/Zen Zallow feat, but then it was on a dark side nexus, so I'd put her above them to Qui-Gon's level.

Meetra takes force, Ventress takes sabers, all out is debatable

Force. Doesn't matter, as Nova pointed out if Traya can't beat the Exile neither can Ventress. Meetra doesn't have the offensive force capabilities to prove she can do anything to Ventress.

Ventress takes sabers.

Ventress takes all out.

I think sabers could go either way, tbh. All-out, debatable but I'm leaning towards Surik.

Originally posted by Syndicate
Force. Doesn't matter, as Nova pointed out if Traya can't beat the Exile neither can Ventress. Meetra doesn't have the offensive force capabilities to prove she can do anything to Ventress.

What an amazing fallacy you have there 🙂 🙂 🙂

It's funny to see people get defensive over there faves. 😆

Originally posted by Ziggystardust
It's funny to see people get defensive over there faves. 😆

It's true, though.

What do you think of the fight, Sel?

Force goes to The Exile, probably edges sabers and takes all out, too.

mmm

Originally posted by Selenial
What an amazing fallacy you have there 🙂 🙂 🙂

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Originally posted by Syndicate
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Lack of exploration of force feats isn't lack of ability.

We don't see her fail to do anything of note, she just doesn't try and do anything either. She was capable of overpowering Traya's Telekinesis in the Malachor core, for example, and easily destroyed an armoured soldier while not in her prime and on a Dark Side Nexus.

Sure she lacks a plethora of feats in that department, but that's not to say she's worse than Ventress.

She managed to sever herself from the Force, I'm sure that will help another Force wielder 📖

Originally posted by Selenial
Lack of exploration of force feats isn't lack of ability.

We don't see her fail to do anything of note, she just doesn't try and do anything either. She was capable of overpowering Traya's Telekinesis in the Malachor core, for example, and easily destroyed an armoured soldier while not in her prime and on a Dark Side Nexus.

Sure she lacks a plethora of feats in that department, but that's not to say she's worse than Ventress.

Using the KOTOR guide that states you can freeze Traya's light sabers with a game mechanic ( force wave ) isn't the equivalent of overwhelming Traya's TK.

"Force Wave can stun Kreia's floating lightsabers." - Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords: Prima Official Game Guide.

"Even though they are inert objects, the lightsabers are still vulnerable to status effects; Force Wave is extremely effective here. It knocks the lightsabers away from you, and it has a good chance of stunning them." - Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords: Prima Official Game Guide.

Destroyed? What do you mean by that? Like she disintegrated them with TK?

We have a prime Meetra as of the Revan novel ( or as prime as she's going to get considering her death in the novel ). We see her kill a soldier with TK on Dromuund Kaas by slamming them into a wall. Thus we can verify that to be the extent of her abilities whilst weakened as she was in midcombat and willing to kill as evidenced by the outcome of her attack. She is more powerful outside of combat. On the other hand we have Ventress accomplishing feats like collapsing enormous pieces of a stone ceiling or throwing stone columns before her prime.

Zoomed out gif for scale.

As offensive force wieleders I'd put Ventress above but as I said neither is going to be making much headway here.

Ventress wins

Originally posted by Syndicate
Using the KOTOR guide that states you can freeze Traya's light sabers with a game mechanic ( force wave ) isn't the equivalent of overwhelming Traya's TK.

"Force Wave can stun Kreia's floating lightsabers." - Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords: Prima Official Game Guide.

"Even though they are inert objects, the lightsabers are still vulnerable to [b]status effects; Force Wave is extremely effective here. It knocks the lightsabers away from you, and it has a good chance of stunning them." - Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords: Prima Official Game Guide.

Destroyed? What do you mean by that? Like she disintegrated them with TK?

We have a prime Meetra as of the Revan novel ( or as prime as she's going to get considering her death in the novel ). We see her kill a soldier with TK on Dromuund Kaas by slamming them into a wall. Thus we can verify that to be the extent of her abilities whilst weakened as she was in midcombat and willing to kill as evidenced by the outcome of her attack. She is more powerful outside of combat. On the other hand we have Ventress accomplishing feats like collapsing enormous pieces of a stone ceiling or throwing stone columns before her prime.

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Novel Surik isn't her prime, though.

What is her prime then? Sprit Meetra?

KOTOR II Meetra, because she's not a Wound in the Force anymore in the novel.

What occurred that eliminated her status as a Wound? Also what benefits did being a Wound provide her with?