Darth Maul vs Count Dooku

Started by Petrus4 pages
Originally posted by MythLord
Canonical sources state this.

Can I get the source that says Maul > Ahsoka?

Not that I don't believe, I just want to see it.

Source: Darth Maul biography gallery from StarWars.com

Pairing Maul up with Ezra, the weakest, was the logical choice, therefore Maul is the strongest.

Interesting. Then Rebels Maul is conclusively his most powerful incarnation by quite a bit.

Wut? No. You can argue Son of Dathomir Maul is also Ahsoka's superior.

There is not one scrap of evidence that Rebels Maul is better than SOD.

Originally posted by MythLord
Wut? No. You can argue Son of Dathomir Maul is also Ahsoka's superior.

Eh, I rank Rebels Ahsoka quite highly.

Besides:

"Although he has grown older and gained new abilities throughout his life, Darth Maul still builds on the teachings he received from Darth Sidious. Now, he's trying to pass them on to Ezra Bridger."

http://www.starwars.com/news/darth-maul-the-story-of-an-apprentice

"When we first meet him, this "Old Master" is frail, hesitant, even fearful. As the story continues, you see those traits melt away, but there's a flow to it. The more Ezra trusts, the more Maul becomes himself until, finally, he's at full strength and more powerful than ever."

http://www.starwars.com/news/ranking-rebels-10-highlights-from-twilight-of-the-apprentice

Provided by Beni.

Originally posted by MythLord

Source: Darth Maul biography gallery from StarWars.com

Pairing Maul up with Ezra, the weakest, was the logical choice, therefore Maul is the strongest.

I wouldn't too much weight in that quote as it doesn't seem to be made from the standpoint of evaluating who would win in a fight. Rather, the initial statement seems to be speaking from Kanan's standpoint. He agreed to let Ezra go with Maul based on what he thought to be logical. Of course, we the viewers, having hindsight as an advantage know his decision was not logical as it exposed the young padawan to further temptation from the dark side.

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
I wouldn't too much weight in that quote as it doesn't seem to be made from the standpoint of evaluating who would win in a fight. Rather, the initial statement seems to be speaking from Kanan's standpoint. He agreed to let Ezra go with Maul based on what he thought to be logical. Of course, we the viewers, having hindsight as an advantage know his decision was not logical as it exposed the young padawan to further temptation from the dark side.

But it was logical in regards to power and skill, as pairing Ezra with Ahsoka or himself would be a disparity and would leave one of the couples more vulnerable to the enemy.

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
I wouldn't too much weight in that quote as it doesn't seem to be made from the standpoint of evaluating who would win in a fight. Rather, the initial statement seems to be speaking from Kanan's standpoint. He agreed to let Ezra go with Maul based on what he thought to be logical. Of course, we the viewers, having hindsight as an advantage know his decision was not logical as it exposed the young padawan to further temptation from the dark side.

It isn't from Kanan's point of view, Kanan just agreed it was the logical choice which SW.com confirms. Besides, Kanan would be much more bias towards Ahsoka than he would Maul, so even him admitting Maul being the strongest carries a lot of weight.

And sw.com also stated Rebels Maul is his most powerful iteration.

Well a guy who wrote a blog that was featured on the site said that... but I suppose, still inferior to Dooku, though 🙂

Originally posted by MythLord
Well a guy who wrote a blog that was featured on the site said that... but I suppose, still inferior to Dooku, though 🙂

Well, it was featured for a reason. 🙂 Why do you suppose that?

If Rebels Maul > TCW Maul > TPM Maul, it's a big increase in power over the years.

It's up there. Just scroll.

Originally posted by Petrus
But it was logical in regards to power and skill, as pairing Ezra with Ahsoka or himself would be a disparity and would leave one of the couples more vulnerable to the enemy.
In terms of what Kanan knew at the time, certainly, but as far as what we the audience knows, the decision was overall illogical, especially if the troubling implications regarding Ezra at the end of the episode are of any indication. They would've been much better off pairing Ezra with someone else or ditching Maul as a bad deal all the way around.

Originally posted by MythLord
It isn't from Kanan's point of view, Kanan just agreed it was the logical choice which SW.com confirms. Besides, Kanan would be much more bias towards Ahsoka than he would Maul, so even him admitting Maul being the strongest carries a lot of weight.
When you write alot, you try to avoid sounding repetitive. A good writer will do whatever they can to avoid overuse of the words "said" or "thought." Take the third statement in your quote for example: "Fighting without mercy or remorse will make them victorious." Is that an absolute statement? Does fighting without mercy or remorse truly make one victorious in the SW universe? Or is the writer referring to what Maul and Sith think and believe without having to actually say what they think and believe?

I'm not inclined to believe that SW.com is suggesting that the decision to send Ezra alone with Maul was overall logical despite the temptations to the dark side and the possibility that Maul would double-cross them in the end anyway (based on what we know about season 3, I expect to see some serious consequences for Kanan's poor decision-making), much less that they are presenting us with anything to infer that Maul > Ahsoka, especially for versus forum purposes.

As for who is stronger between Maul and Ahsoka, I don't really believe there's anyway quantifiable way to know that at the moment, although Ahsoka's willingness to leave the fight in Kanan's hands rather than 2 v. 1 him does make me wonder.

Originally posted by Petrus
Eh, I rank Rebels Ahsoka quite highly.

Besides:

"Although he has grown older and gained [B]new abilities throughout his life, Darth Maul still builds on the teachings he received from Darth Sidious. Now, he's trying to pass them on to Ezra Bridger."

http://www.starwars.com/news/darth-maul-the-story-of-an-apprentice

"When we first meet him, this "Old Master" is frail, hesitant, even fearful. As the story continues, you see those traits melt away, but there's a flow to it. The more Ezra trusts, the more Maul becomes himself until, finally, he's at full strength and more powerful than ever."

http://www.starwars.com/news/ranking-rebels-10-highlights-from-twilight-of-the-apprentice

Provided by Beni. [/B]

👆 He also demonstrates more advanced telekinesis:

i.e freezing the Seventh Sister in place with the Force.

Dark-Kenshin, we're not arguing that the choice was a good, we are arguing that the choice was made because it made most sense in terms of dividing powers.

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
When you write alot, you try to avoid sounding repetitive. A good writer will do whatever they can to avoid overuse of the words "said" or "thought." Take the third statement in your quote for example: "Fighting without mercy or remorse will make them victorious." Is that an absolute statement? Does fighting without mercy or remorse truly make one victorious in the SW universe? Or is the writer referring to what Maul and Sith think and believe without having to actually say what they think and believe?

The writer is suppose to be an omniscient narrator, so it's clearly coming from an objective source, not Maul, not Kanan, not anybody. Using your logic, we can't judge any feat since it might be from a certain character's perspective. And this is, of course, ridiculous.

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
I'm not inclined to believe that SW.com is suggesting that the decision to send Ezra alone with Maul was overall logical despite the temptations to the dark side and the possibility that Maul would double-cross them in the end anyway (based on what we know about season 3, I expect to see some serious consequences for Kanan's poor decision-making), much less that they are presenting us with anything to infer that Maul > Ahsoka, especially for versus forum purposes.

No, it's saying that sending the weakest with Maul is the most logical choice, and that can only be because Maul is the strongest. This is simple logic, I love how people grasp at straws desperately and try to overcomplicate it. Look up Occams Razor.

Originally posted by Dark-Kenshin
As for who is stronger between Maul and Ahsoka, I don't really believe there's anyway quantifiable way to know that at the moment, although Ahsoka's willingness to leave the fight in Kanan's hands rather than 2 v. 1 him does make me wonder.

Tano is kind of an idiot for doing that, or maybe she sensed Kanan's One-With-The-Force moment? And there is a quantifiable way -- we have a canonical source saying Maul > her and his overall domination of the Seventh Sister and, prior to his growth, TCW Kenobi is rather telling of how he's above Ahsoka.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
👆 He also demonstrates more advanced telekinesis:

i.e freezing the Seventh Sister in place with the Force.

> she smiles
> clearly moves her hand
> Frozen in place

I like how Maul is the only guy in SW, who gets stronger because. Like after he gets cut in half, then goes to the looney bin, he comes back stronger.

Then he spends who knows how long on Malachor, he's more powerful. Which I guess you could say he studied...but studied what exactly? It's not like there was a library or anything.

The Idea that Maul should be more powerful in Rebels because some nerd published a blog is cancerous in it's self.