Ok, my opener:
- Lucas says Anakin > Vader
- By Kar Vastor scaling, Vader >>> Kar Vastor = Yoda
- by Plagueis novel, EoTPM Sidious >>> Plagueis > Vitiate (who is a Sith by OOU sources OK)
- Vitiate >>>>>> Malgus
so:
Anakin > Vader >>> Kar Vastor = Yoda ~ RotS Sidious > EoTPM Sidious >>> Plagueis > Vitiate >>>>>> Malgus
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So, let us begin.
- Lucas says Anakin > Vader
- By Kar Vastor scaling, Vader >>> Kar Vastor = Yoda
However, the basis for both notions is extremely lacking. Windu himself is depicted as Yoda's inferior multiple times. Quotes below:
He seems to be second most powerful jedi on the that council, next to Yoda.
~Insider 55
"We've not seen Mace fight yet, and we know that he's second only to Yoda."
~Nick Gillard
"Though it was true that he had slowed slightly in the years that Mace Windu had known him, Yoda's skill with a lightsaber was still second to none on the council."
~Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter book
So there is clearly something off with Mace's opinion. If we have Vastor as Yoda's equal, and Mace as Yoda's inferior, Mace defeating Vastor in the end, effortlessly even, is a clear "error in the matrix". Now! You can argue that the quote is about general Force power, nowhere connected to actual combat skill in a fight. Meaning that Vastor is as powerful as Yoda in terms of Force connection, general "power output" and they're in similar league as far as Force-only fights are concerned, but "all-out" fighting would be purely different story. Sure thing, there are many Kyps Durrons that pack power beyond comprehension and are only Plo-tiers in actual combat. That's the line of reasoning that stops the contradiction we see above with "Mace > Vastor > Yoda > Mace ", and it gives Vastor the best light possible. But that's not helping this debate, since it's purely combat, and I'm about to prove that Malgus is Anakin's better in actual, direct combat, not in "Force only" scenario.
Not to mention that Mace is really, really the failible character. He himself said in the same book that "he can't hope to beat Vastor on his best day", then... actually beats him in the epilogue of the book. You can't get a more obvious message about the character being failible and his opinions being wrong. He is proven wrong in the same book about the same person that he deems Yoda's equal. That's as bad of a source as you can get. It's the equivalent of using character X's quote "I can stomp Y", and having character X beaten by Y in the same source. Except here it's the plain opposite - you have the character claiming "I can't beat him on my best day" and then proceeding to actually beat him. That's the worst source possible. It's purely comical, I dare say.
Now, Nick Rostu's opinion. Here I have only a simple thing to say - he's an untrained Force user. He didn't receive any Force training at all. I would call that claiming a random Padawan the ability to state that Kit Fisto > Plo Koon, but Jedi Padawan actually received training. No comment.
With that out of the window, your notion is defeated. Your further points can go on to prove that Plagueis > Vitiate, that Palpatine > Plagueis, and that Yoda ~ Palpatine, but they don't touch Anakin or Vader at all. You can try going for all the stuff that claims Anakin and Yoda are in the same league, I presume, and hey, I agree with that notion actually. Problem is, while Yoda and Palpatine > Vitiate as confirmed by sources, it doesn't have to mean that Vitiate is out of their league. They are better, end of story, but the gap is nowhere specific. Vitiate can be in Yoda's league, while Anakin is in Yoda's league, while I can easily argue Malgus is in Vitiate's league while the inferior one as well.
However, there are actually more holes.
- by Plagueis novel, EoTPM Sidious >>> Plagueis > Vitiate (who is a Sith by OOU sources OK)
I won't disagree that Palpatine > Vitiate, and that Yoda ~ Palpatine, and that Anakin is somewhere in their league. Of course, I won't disagree neither that Vitiate > Malgus. However, that does nothing to displace Malgus > Anakin at all.
Darth Malgus himself is just a better combatant than Anakin. His feats are better, and he scales up enormously above every Jedi of the RotE era. If not for the quotes of Yoda and Palpatine being the clear superiors of all time, it would be easy to claim Malgus > Yoda. But as we have material surpassing Yoda from Malgus, and this quote, the only logical outcome is that Yoda is indeed better, but just the smallest notch possible, since Malgus other showings and scaling superseeds Yoda.
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