Darth Jadus vs. Dooku

Which isn't you is it? So is this a concession or a change of heart? On the other hand the SWTORE says the Agent had little hope of defeating him in combat so there we go.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Which isn't you is it? So is this a concession or a change of heart? On the other hand the SWTORE says the Agent had little hope of defeating him in combat so there we go.

I'm referring to Neph, who jokingly brought up the pirate showing and you jokingly agreed with it. Not exactly a proper argument, so why does it have to be responded with a proper argument? An unrealistic and stupid low showing can be responded to with just the same thing. I hope you don't seriously think I believe that the Agent can repeatedly beat Jadus in a fight.

That being said, by all means, if the Agent actually had a chance of beating Jadus, that's pretty damn pitiful. That doesn't excuse Jadus from not quickly destroying the Agent or failing to teleport out of the forcefield, though. As powerful as he is, his combative ability hasn't impressed me.

I was referring to a different instance, in Dark Disciple Count Dooku is taken down by a group of bounty hunters from Boba's gang, so yeah, that's about as legit an argument as your own. And I eagerly await your counter response. 👆

Originally posted by Beniboybling
I was referring to a different instance, in Dark Disciple Count Dooku is taken down by a group of bounty hunters from Boba's gang, so yeah, that's about as legit an argument as your own. And I eagerly await your counter response. 👆

Indeed you did. I read your post wrong.

But that aside, I don't even remember which Bounty Hunters were involved, so I can't answer that decisively. But Bounty Hunters fight unconventionally and differently to Jadus or any Jedi/Sith, so that's not a valid argument in Jadus' favor. And then there's the fact that this could well just be a low showing.

You've also yet to respond to my point about Jadus failing to destroy the Agent quickly or failing to teleport out of the forcefield for two posts, now.

Dooku's form was made for lightsaber combat so cut him some slack.

Originally posted by SunRazer
Indeed you did. I read your post wrong.

But that aside, I don't even remember which Bounty Hunters were involved, so I can't answer that decisively. But Bounty Hunters fight unconventionally and differently to Jadus or any Jedi/Sith, so that's not a valid argument in Jadus' favor. And then there's the fact that this could well just be a low showing.

Regardless it was Boba Fett, Bossk, Embo, Latts Razzi and Highsinger and they had him trussed up and beaten:

"Suddenly Vos's head whipped to the side. Following his gaze, Ventress saw something thoroughly unexpected-Count Dooku, trapped in some sort of webbing, lying on the ground with Bossk's blaster aimed at his head."

So given that, what proof is there that he would succeed where Jadus failed in killing Cipher 9 (supported by Kaliyo is we are being accurate), one of the "galaxy's greatest champions", when he couldn't kill a single one of these bounty hunters, who beat him instead?

You've also yet to respond to my point about Jadus failing to destroy the Agent quickly or failing to teleport out of the forcefield for two posts, now.

EDIT: Oh and as for failing to teleport out of the forcefield, I expect that had something to do with the Dark Council fleet dropping out of hyperspace moments later, or just that thing called PIS, a fond excuse of yours tbh.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
And Cipher 9 doesn't? Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't remember the Agent running at him with a lightsaber.

There we go. Took you long enough. I was waiting for you to mention the Agent being trained to counter Jedi, but whatever. Still haven't answered the teleportation though.

EDIT:

Oh and as for failing to teleport out of the forcefield, I expect that had something to do with the Dark Council fleet dropping out of hyperspace moments later, or just that thing called PIS, a fond excuse of yours tbh.

PIS sounds appropriate, just like Dooku losing to the Bounty Hunters that he could've wrecked with his powers. And what does the Council coming out of hyperspace after the imprisonment have to do with Jadus failing to teleport out before they arrived?

So given that, what proof is there that he would succeed where Jadus failed in killing Cipher 9 (supported by Kaliyo is we are being accurate), one of the "galaxy's greatest champions", when he couldn't kill a single one of these bounty hunters, who beat him instead?

There is no proof, since Dooku hasn't really fought any non-Force sensitives except Grievous, who fights more like a Jedi than an agent, and the Nightbrothers in SoD, which is again not comparable to Cipher 9 since they don't fight in the same way.

Now that we've established that fights against non-Force sensitives aren't indicative of how they'd perform against other Jedi/Sith, we should stop bringing up their losses to non-Force sensitives and instead bring up actual combative showings of lightsaber prowess or Force mastery and compare it against one another. And while Jadus has his impressive teleport + choke feat, he's unfortunately quite underrepresented otherwise.

Took me long enough? The sole reason I raised the DD feat was to expose your sophistry with an equally sophistic response, lawls.

Regardless I'm glad we're in agreement that Jadus' "loss" against Cipher 9 is not a valid argument, and beyond that we have him being vastly more powerful in the Force. Therefore if Jadus were able to force such a contest, it would be one Dooku could not hope to win.

As for my point concerning teleportation, once the fleet dropped out of hyperspace Jadus knew the game was up, so it would have been pointless to make any further attempts at escape.

Originally posted by SunRazer
For the people who take TOR's game mechanics at face value and have Malgus choking the Protags, etc. - there's no denying that Jadus gets beaten multiple times, heals himself back to full strength, and loses again. And the last time, his guards come in, also get butchered, and then the Agent activates the forcefield. Which, funnily enough, Jadus couldn't teleport out of.

😂

Originally posted by Beniboybling
Took me long enough? The sole reason I raised the DD feat was to expose your sophistry with an equally sophistic response, lawls.

It's the other way around. You raised the DD feat first in agreement to Neph's pirate feat, and I responded with the Agent showing to prove that it was a laughable argument and we've been going in circles since.

Regardless I'm glad we're in agreement, Jadus' "loss" against Cipher 9 is not a valid argument, and beyond that we have him being vastly more powerful in the Force. Therefore if Jadus were able to force such a contest, it would be one Dooku could not hope to win.

First of all, vastly more powerful? I don't think so. What merits Jadus' vastly greater power relative to the Count?

And being more powerful doesn't let you win in of itself. Traya was more powerful but ultimately lost to Surik, even on a colossal geyser of dark side energy. Also, how exactly would Jadus "force" a contest of Force powers?

As for my point concerning teleportation, once the fleet dropped out of hyperspace Jadus knew the game was up, so it would have been pointless to make any further attempts at escape.

Except Jadus didn't know they were coming yet. He attempted to use Lightning to get out of the forcefield instead of teleporting at first, which is kind of funny, tbh. It's probably just WIS/PIS, lol.

^ well, the idea is that Jadus would force a Force contest via teleportation, and that the dreadnought feat puts him above Dooku.

Originally posted by SunRazer
It's the other way around. You raised the DD feat first in agreement to Neph's pirate feat, and I responded with the Agent showing to prove that it was a laughable argument and we've been going in circles since.

First of all, vastly more powerful? I don't think so. What merits Jadus' vastly greater power relative to the Count?

And being more powerful doesn't let you win in of itself. Traya was more powerful but ultimately lost to Surik, even on a colossal geyser of dark side energy. Also, how exactly would Jadus "force" a contest of Force powers?

Regardless that is true, which is why I said "if", Dooku could potentially defeat him in lightsaber combat, but as Neph rightly pointed out Jadus can simply teleport away.

Except Jadus didn't know they were coming yet. He attempted to use Lightning to get out of the forcefield instead of teleporting at first, which is kind of funny, tbh. It's probably just WIS/PIS, lol.

Originally posted by Beniboybling
To be specific my response was directed at Myth, who used the same flawed argument you've been employing for some time now.

Nah. I use it to mess with Aurbere and other Jadus wankers.

Does it really need to be explained that Jadus' feats outstrip Dooku's by a mile? Though granted one could argue we haven't seen the full extent of Dooku's powers, I'd say that Jadus is firmly above him nonetheless.

Jadus has only one feat that outstrips Dooku's, which is holding together the Dominator. And doesn't he mention that he's holding part of it together, since part of the ship got incinerated? Does anyone have a good estimate (and basis for that estimate) for how much of the ship Jadus actually held together?

Regardless that is true, which is why I said "if", Dooku could potentially defeat him in lightsaber combat, but as Neph rightly pointed out Jadus can simply teleport away.

Potentially defeat him in lightsaber combat? LOL. You're putting Jadus remarkably high despite him being rather wanting in lightsaber feats and accolades.

Also, if Jadus is being overwhelmed in sabers, there may not be much of a chance for him to teleport away.

Well that was my rationalisation, I prefer in-universe explanations to PIS.

So do I, but sometimes it really is PIS or WIS.

Um Nova why would Jadus get in a duel in the first place?

OK, so the actual reason I mentioned the pirates was as an example of Dooku being held by non force sensitives without him being about to mindfvck them into submission like Jadus did. Which was supposed to rebut Jadus dominating muggles as being irrelevant.

Calm down bitches.

Originally posted by Nephthys
OK, so the actual reason I mentioned the pirates was as an example of Dooku being held by non force sensitives without him being about to mindfvck them into submission like Jadus did. Which was supposed to rebut Jadus dominating muggles as being irrelevant.

Calm down bitches.

That's because it's TCW, and in the same episode, Obi-Wan, Anakin and Dooku couldn't sense the pirates or Hondo's pet creeping up on them and stealing their lightsabers. lmfao

Any respectable EU writer would not write that sh!t.

Originally posted by The Ellimist
Um Nova why would Jadus get in a duel in the first place?

Because the fight starts quite close and with morals on, I don't see Jadus running away via teleport immediately?

TCW is wretched when it comes to portraying the Force and capabilities of Jedi / Sith, honestly.

Tbh the worse part of that episode was the fact that the combined power of Dooku, Kenobi and Anakin was not enough to blow away the door, and anyone they came across.

Still the banter was hilarious so worth it. 🙂

I don't recall much from Dooku in telepathy in other sources regardless.