That doesn't necessarily apply to the Ravager, which was never stated to have been buried. Indeed it wouldn't have helped him much if it had been destroyed.
Regardless, from its description I'm pretty sure the fortress is much wider than the Ravager is, given that it has a hanger along its width and blends in with the beach/etc.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
That doesn't necessarily apply to the Ravager, which was never stated to have been buried. Indeed it wouldn't have helped him much if it had been destroyed.Regardless, from its description I'm pretty sure the fortress is much wider than the Ravager is, given that it has a hanger along its width and blends in with the beach/etc.
Actually, the point was that the ship should've been destroyed, but it's claimed by Nihilus' minions that he holds the ship together with his sheer will. And the novel's essentially saying that every ship that was involved in the Malachor battle (sans Revan and Exile's ships, since they were a safe distance away) got caught by the Mass Shadow Generator and and curbed. Sounds like a retcon to what KotOR II depicts, in part.
The fortress' width would have to be more than twice that of the Ravager's to compensate for length/height disparity.
Not every ship. Ships could still leave Malachor; the gravity well's influence clearly isn't constant.
Nihilus's minions are full of shit, nothing happened to the ship when he died.
Maybe this is mostly intuitive but I don't think a fortress would have the same elongated dimensions as a warship, particularly given its description, so I could buy it being comparable in overall volume - but given the margin of error of these feats/calculations, a margin of error of like two is pretty petty to dispute in either case.
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I've been on my phone so sorry for the haphazard writing, but it seems as though Nihilus's feat has the advantage of a gravity well, while Luke's wasn't on a nexus, was done with demonstrable ease, and also involved crushing the fortress to dust. Both were done before their primes. Which one is more impressive would depend on a lot of factors, but probably mainly on whether the engines were functioning and how strong the gravity well was at that location.
Originally posted by The Ellimist
Not every ship. Ships could still leave Malachor; the gravity well's influence clearly isn't constant.
The only ships that could leave Malachor were from the Trayus Academy, which was not affected by the Mass Shadow Generator. Ant pointed this out a few pages back - Revan obviously saved it so that he could learn the Academy's secrets.
And as Ant also pointed out, it's likely that the gravity well was mostly centered towards the opposite side of the planet, or another part of it, at least. There are some wrecked ships near the Trayus Academy, but the Academy itself is unaffected despite the world's environment being ravaged.
Nihilus's minions are full of shit, nothing happened to the ship when he died.
I'd say that's just one of KotOR II's big plot holes. After all, it's pretty much certain that the Jedi Council rebuilt the Enclave, but it's miraculously rebuilt even when you kill all of them before they have a chance to meet.
The reason I say that is because it's not just Nihilus' minions, but also the KotOR II Prima Guide and The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia that claim that Nihilus held the ship together.
Maybe this is mostly intuitive but I don't think a fortress would have the same elongated dimensions as a warship, particularly given its description, so I could buy it being comparable in overall volume - but given the margin of error of these feats/calculations, a margin of error of like two is pretty petty to dispute in either case.
The fortress clearly has elongated dimensions as it rises higher and higher. Neither the fortress nor the Ravager are consistent in that dimension all the way through.
Still on my phone.
The point is that the gravity well probably isn't constant in strength, given that the Academy wasn't affected, and we don't know how far away from the well the Ravager was and so it's difficult to quantify it.
If encyclopedias said so, then the best rationalization may be that Nihilus was using some sort of sorcery outside of telekinesis.
Well either way we can't know the exact dimensions of the fortress or heck the upper limit of its height (just that it's higher than the storm clouds), but in either case I don't think it matters - Luke didn't struggle at all in his feat so it's not like if it were 1200 instead of 600 meters tall he'd be like I can't do it.
So without the gravity well, Luke's feat is way more impressive given that he does it with no effort and also crushes it to dust. Add in the gravity well, but that needs to balance with the nexus. Nihilus was pre prime but so was Luke.
