Originally posted by carthage
Jacen blocked Turbolasers at the beginning of one of the Swarm Wars books from Chiss frigates, it happened. Its in one of the same scenes where Jaina is dodging Cannonfire/turnbolasers, Zekk and Jaina also deflect them iirc
Well, I'm only using top showings. I don't see Vader matching his performance against Jaina. Not sure how his performance against Luke is one of the most shameful. Most people would die instantly.
Unless you want to take into account him struggling with Mandalorians or something and lower him accordingly, then it's pretty clear in my mind.
Because? Jaina's certainly talented among the best in the myths, but she's hardly out of Vader's league. And no, I don't think most people would die instantly when they have every advantage imaginable. If Caedus was even remotely close to Luke in sabers, he would have killed him.
No, that's really not necessary.
Originally posted by SunRazer
Well, if you reckon Vader can match Jaina with Luke helping her or with one arm and after being gutted with a lightsaber, then yeah, he's as good as Caedus.
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
Vader only fights with one arm, and unlike the vast majority of this forum, I don't think helping someone makes them jump several tiers.
What? He fights with two arms in battles where he's challenged - like against Obi-Wan in ANH and Luke in RotJ.
Moreover, fighting with one arm of your own volition and fighting with an arm chopped off is different. And Caedus fights with two arms normally, IIRC, so that's a hindrance to him, which is my point. I couldn't care less how many arms Vader fights with.
As for jumping several tiers - not once did I insinuate that, so brilliant red herring 👆
I assume you have no actual counter for the point?
Originally posted by SunRazer
What? He fights with two arms in battles where he's challenged - like against Obi-Wan in ANH and Luke in RotJ.
Moreover, fighting with one arm of your own volition and fighting with an arm chopped off is different.
And Caedus fights with two arms normally, IIRC, so that's a hindrance to him, which is my point. I couldn't care less how many arms Vader fights with.
As for jumping several tiers - not once did I insinuate that, so brilliant red herring 👆
I assume you have no actual counter for the point?
Originally posted by FreshestSlice
You mean in a movie designed before Vader's entire character was?
Even though every single supplementary source for the movies released then doesn't contradict that?
Vader's fought with two hands in recent fights as well (most recently against Ahsoka) - he blends in one-handed and two-handed fighting. And Djem So relies on broad strikes and two-handed fighting. Your implication that Vader doesn't use two-handed fighting is flat-out contradicted.
It really isn't.
It is, depending on who you're talking about.
The difference between fighting with one arm and fighting with two is nowhere near as big a hindrance as you're implying it is. A lightsaber's blade is weightless, and the movements made in combat are pretty much all made by instinct.
Muscle memory? If somebody's been fighting with two arms all their life, you don't think it'll make much of a difference when they're forced to fight with one?
I'm saying Jania would have to already be comparable to Caedus in one way or another if she's able to combat him, even if she has Luke's help. It's really not that hard.
And Jaina isn't comparable to Vader? I'd argue that she's closer to Vader than she is to Caedus - well, that should be obvious given my stance, but regardless.
I mean if you're retarded maybe.
Not as retarded as blatantly ignoring the part where I said Caedus was gutted by Jaina with a lightsaber, which you still haven't accounted for. So yes, it looks like you have no counter for it.