Originally posted by Scribble
As much as overly-PC culture annoys me, people who go on and on about PC culture just being 'whining' come across as really... well... whiny.
A response like yours is the go to response though it seems lol. It's what someone says when there isn't really anything else to say other then the PC culture is silly.
It's what we do when we scrape the bottom of the barrel.
Originally posted by SurturWell, I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that anti-PC culture is just as annoying as PC culture. When there aren't people being overly-PC, there are people complaining about those people. The people who just want to get on with their lives can't escape from it. It's exceedingly dull. Plus, in my personal experience, anti-PC people seem to go on about it all more frequently than the ones they dislike so much. I have this friend at uni who complains about tumblr people being weird and PC so much that it's more or less all he talks about. And yet I have no tumblrites in my face telling me what to do or annoying me. Even he doesn't, he doesn't even go on tumblr, he's just complaining because he read something online that annoyed him. It's the most boring ****ing thing in the world.
A response like yours is the go to response though it seems lol. It's what someone says when there isn't really anything else to say other then the PC culture is silly.It's what we do when we scrape the bottom of the barrel.
Besides, what's the difference between an overly-PC person and an anti-PC person? The overly-PC one is complaining in an attempt to make people be nicer to each other, regardless of how misguided they may or may not be (although to be fair, it seems these days that to some people even just being friendly to a woman can be seen as a symptom of PC culture), and the other is just complaining about something that personally annoys them.
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Originally posted by Scribble
Well, I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that anti-PC culture is just as annoying as PC culture. When there aren't people being overly-PC, there are people complaining about those people. The people who just want to get on with their lives can't escape from it. It's exceedingly dull. Plus, in my personal experience, anti-PC people seem to go on about it all more frequently than the ones they dislike so much. I have this friend at uni who complains about tumblr people being weird and PC so much that it's more or less all he talks about. And yet I have no tumblrites in my face telling me what to do or annoying me. Even he doesn't, he doesn't even go on tumblr, he's just complaining because he read something online that annoyed him. It's the most boring ****ing thing in the world.Besides, what's the difference between an overly-PC person and an anti-PC person? The overly-PC one is complaining in an attempt to make people be nicer to each other, regardless of how misguided they may or may not be (although to be fair, it seems these days that to some people even just being friendly to a woman can be seen as a symptom of PC culture), and the other is just complaining about something that personally annoys them.
Ah yes, but your personal experience aside, it's the PC crowd that tends to roar the loudest in this country. Just like in my experience the "the other side is annoying too" argument is one I hear a lot when there is nothing left to say.
We can put personal experiences aside and just focus on the PC culture at large.
Originally posted by SurturWell, it's not as bad here in the UK. Essentially, my view on PC culture is that it comes from a very good place, and that I agree with most of what it is trying to achieve (equality, kindness among people, an end to bigotry), but it sometimes goes in the wrong direction, and often in my eyes actually harms the cause it is championing by taking credibility away from the morals that it holds at its heart.
Ah yes, but your personal experience aside, it's the PC crowd that tends to roar the loudest in this country. Just like in my experience the "the other side is annoying too" argument is one I hear a lot when there is nothing left to say.We can put personal experiences aside and just focus on the PC culture at large.
Of course, 'PC culture' is not a subculture or a group of people, it is coming from many different places, so it's difficult to define in real-life terms. But the people who seem most vehemently against it are usually those who have the most to lose from it, i.e. people who have always just said whatever bone-headed comment comes to their head without regard for whomever it might hurt or offend. Nobody likes being told what to do, but there's a difference between militant PC-ists and people who genuinely want to make the world a safer and more caring place, and there's a difference between "Dude, you're being a total dick" and "Only say the words I want you to say!!"
Opponents of PC culture use it as an excuse to basically say that they should be allowed to be a total piece of shit without impunity, and this position is being fuelled by the minority of people who support a more PC world that make a mockery of the whole thing by putting a borderline fascistic tone to it all.
Note to self: I need to watch the latest season of South Park and see what their take on it all is.
Originally posted by Scribble
Well, I think I speak for a lot of people when I say that anti-PC culture is just as annoying as PC culture. When there aren't people being overly-PC, there are people complaining about those people. The people who just want to get on with their lives can't escape from it. It's exceedingly dull. Plus, in my personal experience, anti-PC people seem to go on about it all more frequently than the ones they dislike so much. I have this friend at uni who complains about tumblr people being weird and PC so much that it's more or less all he talks about. And yet I have no tumblrites in my face telling me what to do or annoying me. Even he doesn't, he doesn't even go on tumblr, he's just complaining because he read something online that annoyed him. It's the most boring ****ing thing in the world.
Well, to be fair, I don't see 5 million stories about a food chain or something of the like sued for not being anti-PC. lol
Originally posted by Scribble
Well, it's not as bad here in the UK. Essentially, my view on PC culture is that it comes from a very good place, and that I agree with most of what it is trying to achieve (equality, kindness among people, an end to bigotry), but it sometimes goes in the wrong direction, and often in my eyes actually harms the cause it is championing by taking credibility away from the morals that it holds at its heart.Of course, 'PC culture' is not a subculture or a group of people, it is coming from many different places, so it's difficult to define in real-life terms. But the people who seem most vehemently against it are usually those who have the most to lose from it, i.e. people who have always just said whatever bone-headed comment comes to their head without regard for whomever it might hurt or offend. Nobody likes being told what to do, but there's a difference between militant PC-ists and people who genuinely want to make the world a safer and more caring place, and there's a difference between "Dude, you're being a total dick" and "Only say the words I want you to say!!"
Opponents of PC culture use it as an excuse to basically say that they should be allowed to be a total piece of shit without impunity, and this position is being fuelled by the minority of people who support a more PC world that make a mockery of the whole thing by putting a borderline fascistic tone to it all.
Note to self: I need to watch the latest season of South Park and see what their take on it all is.
It is true that some indeed do pursue the PC route just so they can have an excuse to be a dick, but it cuts deeper still. Some use it to just try to shield themselves from any point of view they might not like.
Some use it to just spread flat out lies(rape culture, whatever).
It can be used for good or for bad.
Originally posted by SurturI think we need to look deeper into the issues before dismissing anything, and most importantly, try to see it from other people's perspectives. Clearly the idea of 'rape culture' has not arisen out of nowhere, so where has it come from? I've seen a number of instances of rapists being let off easy or not punished at all, so personally I can see why someone vulnerable to rape would be worried by that.
It is true that some indeed do pursue the PC route just so they can have an excuse to be a dick, but it cuts deeper still. Some use it to just try to shield themselves from any point of view they might not like.Some use it to just spread flat out lies(rape culture, whatever).
It can be used for good or for bad.
And yes, it is used as an excuse to not debate actual issues, with phrases such as "I can't even believe you'd think that!" among other things being used to quash issues. I've come up against this myself, even just whilst trying to see things from other people's perspectives. E.g., I said that I can understand why a lot of Catholic churches would be averse to allowing gay marriage in their institutions, and I was met with calls of "I've lost respect for you even just by you saying that," etc., etc. PC culture at its worst encourages people to blindly follow things because that's what is 'correct', which sidesteps questioning, something I can never get behind. Things are not just 'how they are', they are always complex and multifaceted, and we need to explore these things. If someone says, "Why should women be equal?" as an honest question, they deserve a rational answer that can help them understand why we need equality, not just the usual "omg I cannot believe you just said that!!"
Ultimately my feelings on it are that we have to use PC culture carefully and grow with it, not just cast it aside, as it is a young practice with plenty of benefits, if we are able to iron out the more unsavoury kinks of it. Any belief system rooted in equality and general kindness cannot be all bad. Then again, seeing how Christianity turned out, I don't know...
Originally posted by Scribble
[B]Clearly the idea of 'rape culture' has not arisen out of nowhere, so where has it come from? I've seen a number of instances of rapists being let off easy or not punished at all, so personally I can see why someone vulnerable to rape would be worried by that.
It came from lies. Like this "1 in 5 women will be sexually assaulted" study even the president has cited. What they don't say is in that study the definition of "sexual assault" ranged anywhere from an unwanted kiss to just drunken sex. No not raping someone while drunk, just flat out drunk sex was counted. THAT is where that shit comes, that is how this shit hurts people. It makes them think there is a danger that there isn't. You can literally use the "I saw an instance of so and so getting off easy" for ANY crime. Are we in a murder culture? An identity theft culture? A car stealing culture? You get what I mean?
You're actually less likely to get raped on a college campus if you're a female than you are to get raped off a college campus. But you won't hear about that, why would you?
This then leads to lives destroyed. I've seen cases where women have lied about rape and gotten no punishment at all. Yet I'm not saying we live in a "lie about rape" culture because I'm not insane.