Originally posted by cs_zoltan
Perhaps.
Well it is All of History. If Windu was his superior there would be no perhaps about it.
That's mastery of the force. He's also mastered every Saber form, so where could Mace possibly have the advantage in a 1 v 1?
Originally posted by cs_zoltanSo is Windu, on both accounts.
Source?
Also being the "Councils" greatest technically doesn't even make him better than Skywalker, unless you count the 2 days he was put on the council to spy on Palpatine.
Originally posted by quanchi112
If you're too closed minded to think otherwise then you're not able to be reached. We debate based off evidence not your pre conceived notion of who wins.
Windu was losing to Sidious until he sunk into pissed-off-vaapad amp mode (as shown when Sidious thrusted his saber to his chest but didn't kill); only then did he stalemate him. Mace obviously wouldn't receive the same amp from fighting Yoda, so we can assume this is just a standard Mace who would've lost to Sidious.
Then there is style; Vaapad relies on broad, powerful strikes to overcome the enemy. The last thing you want to do with Yoda is try to go head on against him in an effort to overpower him because it simply won't work against one his size.
There is nothing Mace possesses that Yoda doesn't already know how to counter because of his mastery of every form.
Originally posted by KurkWindu won based off abilities and none of that was addressed in the film. None of it.
When did you become a master of using evidence to justify your arguments?Windu was losing to Sidious until he sunk into pissed-off-vaapad amp mode (as shown when Sidious thrusted his saber to his chest but didn't kill); only then did he stalemate him. Mace obviously wouldn't receive the same amp from fighting Yoda, so we can assume this is just a standard Mace who would've lost to Sidious.
Then there is style; Vaapad relies on broad, powerful strikes to overcome the enemy. The last thing you want to do with Yoda is try to go head on against him in an effort to overpower him because it simply won't work against one his size.
There is nothing Mace possesses that Yoda doesn't already know how to counter because of his mastery of every form.
You've based your entire opinion around this ridiculous notion. Yoda also didn't overpower Dooku despite a vast power and supposed skill advantage. Pretend Yoda is the best all you want the evidence simply doesn't support it.
Originally posted by Kurk
We're seriously debating Windu vs Yoda?
Zoltan actually started it this time!
Originally posted by Kurk
When did you become a master of using evidence to justify your arguments?Windu was losing to Sidious until he sunk into pissed-off-vaapad amp mode (as shown when Sidious thrusted his saber to his chest but didn't kill); only then did he stalemate him. Mace obviously wouldn't receive the same amp from fighting Yoda, so we can assume this is just a standard Mace who would've lost to Sidious.
Then there is style; Vaapad relies on broad, powerful strikes to overcome the enemy. The last thing you want to do with Yoda is try to go head on against him in an effort to overpower him because it simply won't work against one his size.
There is nothing Mace possesses that Yoda doesn't already know how to counter because of his mastery of every form.
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Spot on. There's literally no advantage Mace has over Yoda.
Originally posted by cs_zoltan
I was debating the possibility of Windu being a Yoda tier combatant in strictly canon only...
Yoda tier in Saber combat possibly. I still think he'd struggle more against Yoda than Palpatine going by Kurk's point.
I was just saying who people can blame for starting the current MACE >>> YODA nonsense. But to be fair no one else can be accountable for Quanchi's Trolling.
Originally posted by Darth ThorExcept the evidence which supports Windu's flawless Jedi one on one record unlike Yoda or Palpatine. Windu is at the top despite hyperbolic statements which aren't really proof of anything. Anakin was touted as the possible best down the line but even before then he fell to a fella named Kenobi.
Yoda tier in Saber combat possibly. I still think he'd struggle more against Yoda than Palpatine going by Kurk's point.I was just saying who people can blame for starting the current MACE >>> YODA nonsense. But to be fair no one else can be accountable for Quanchi's Trolling.