Originally posted by NewGuy01I wouldn't say he's a powerhouse. He's probably around EU Vos level. Aniway, any padawan would stomp Finn easily
The old Jedi Padawan that repeatedly got his ass kicked by mercenaries in melee combat. He got pissed and gathered like, dozens of ancient Sith artifacts and became a powerhouse, though.
Originally posted by MythLordNo, he gets stomped by any padawan, like any Padawan would stomp a clone trooper or a stormtrooper in single combat.
Just because you have no proper counter-argument doesn't make it crazy.Finn beats your average padawan, lol. Might lose to an average Knight, but puts up a good fight.
Its not a good showing for Finn, its a bad showing for Kylo.
Which is funny because Kylo is a barely trained, unrefined mess.
Dude throws his lightsaber around like its a baseball bat. :/
Originally posted by Jmanghan
No, he gets stomped by any padawan, like any Padawan would stomp a clone trooper or a stormtrooper in single combat.
This isn't a common Clone or Stormtrooper. 😆
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Its not a good showing for Finn, its a bad showing for Kylo.Which is funny because Kylo is a barely trained, unrefined mess.
That's a red herring on your part, since I never mentioned that duel. And it's not a bad showing for either Kylo or Finn, it's impressive for Kylo and it's just Finn being outmatched. That's like saying Dooku losing to Anakin is just a "bad showing for Dooku" not a "good showing for Anakin".
Also, lol at Kylo being a barely trained, unrefined mess. Though I suppose he was emotionally and physically a mess when he fought Finn, which makes it that much more impressive that he stomped him.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Dude throws his lightsaber around like its a baseball bat. :/
😆 So the core of your arguments is: game mechanics and choreography, lmao.
Originally posted by MythLord
This isn't a common Clone or Stormtrooper. 😆That's a red herring on your part, since I never mentioned that duel. And it's not a bad showing for either Kylo or Finn, it's impressive for Kylo and it's just Finn being outmatched. That's like saying Dooku losing to Anakin is just a "bad showing for Dooku" not a "good showing for Anakin".
Also, lol at Kylo being a barely trained, unrefined mess. Though I suppose he was emotionally and physically a mess when he fought Finn, which makes it that much more impressive that he stomped him.
😆 So the core of your arguments is: game mechanics and choreography, lmao.
Finn is a TOP Class.... stormtrooper.
That alone puts him below any Padawan, no stormtrooper can take a Jedi.
Zett Jukassa would destroy Finn in single combat within seconds.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Finn is a TOP Class.... stormtrooper.That alone puts him below any Padawan, no stormtrooper can take a Jedi.
Zett Jukassa would destroy Finn in single combat within seconds.
This isn't your Imperial Stormtrooper or Republic Clone Trooper. This is the First Order Stormtrooper that shits on the former two.
Do you not comprehend there is a difference between fodder trained to shoot down droids, and supersoldiers trained from birth and taught in melee arts with training inspired by the Jedi Order? Is that so far outside your mental capacity?
Originally posted by MythLordSo you're saying Finn could take on people like Rex, or Boss??
This isn't your Imperial Stormtrooper or Republic Clone Trooper. This is the First Order Stormtrooper that shits on the former two.Do you not comprehend there is a difference between fodder trained to shoot down droids, and supersoldiers trained from birth and taught in melee arts with training inspired by the Jedi Order? Is that so far outside your mental capacity?
The Clones weren't just "taught to shoot down droids", they have just as much training as the First Order clones do, and they still got beat down, if anything, they have superior physicals to someone like Finn.
Yeah, it would be pretty effective...
...If they were Jedi.
A clone trained all his life, trained to perfection, would lose to someone like Zett Jukassa.
Teaching clones the ways of Jedi is stupid because they can't accurately use those arts in combat, they just don't have the speed, or the strength, to do so.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
So you're saying Finn could take on people like Rex, or Boss??
Yes.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
The Clones weren't just "taught to shoot down droids", they have just as much training as the First Order clones do, and they still got beat down, if anything, they have superior physicals to someone like Finn.
Based on what would they be physically superior to Finn? That's your arbitrary opinion, and is ultimately conjecture. Finn was taught in the Jedi-esque arts, and participated in grueling war simulations several times a day. The FO troopers were trained much, much more brutally than the Republic clones and would thus be more durable, stronger and faster.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
Yeah, it would be pretty effective......If they were Jedi.
A clone trained all his life, trained to perfection, would lose to someone like Zett Jukassa.
Teaching clones the ways of Jedi is stupid because they can't accurately use those arts in combat, they just don't have the speed, or the strength, to do so.
They don't have a Jedi's augmentation or precognition, true... But that's why their training should, logically(you do know that word, right? Logic isn't a foreign concept to your cognition, I assume) be much more brutal and harder than the training of Stormtroopers or Clone Troopers, since they're trained in similar ways to Jedi, go through rigorous combat simulations daily, and are in an Order where the weak die and strong survive, who's training isn't overseen by a calm, compassionate Jedi, but by a blood thirsty Dark Sider and his commanders.
Lol, how could the clones have as much training was the First Order when they had accelerated aging and were being quickly produced? Compared to the FO Stormtroopers being trained since infancy in real time.
Originally posted by Jmanghan
But that was after he got his amp, right? I dunno the dude, but I would only assume.
I'd think so. I was thinking more that he was a beast after he got his cheat-sheets and declared himself a Darth.