The Sexist Double Standard

Originally posted by krisblaze
That's not true.

Women in the majority of european countries are better off than women in America.

Like Iceland. With their happiness index rating, and the fact over 60% of women are single mothers living a decent lifestyle, you'd think it's a liberal utopia.

Just ignore the statistics for alcoholism and drug abuse.

Wait 60% of women are single mothers? Lol yep high rates of booze and drugs sure explain the f*ckton of single females who have decided to pop out kids then.

Dear lord as a man living in a country where 60% of chicks are single friggin moms..YIKES that would blow.

Originally posted by Surtur
We coddle females here in a way even Europe doesn't it seems.

Also, I'm kind of confused as to why you (and a number of other people I've seen) constantly refer to women as "females", as if they're complete other species or something, something alien that you don't really understand fully.

Coddling is just one of the forms privilege takes. Once again blame the men for it, but again I ask: where the feminists at for this shit? Who say feminism is just as much for men as for women?

As for females, I call them females sometimes because they are females and yep I certainly don't understand the dumb shit we do like letting them get away with murder. Not literal murder(not usually) but nah, I don't understand the bullshit double standards people either ignore or do what you did and say "well it's the male dominated society doing it". There is little reason the female thing should bother you or even be relevant. Unless you intend to pull a Bardock on me.

But yeah coddling isn't necessarily a privilege, just completely utterly unnecessary shit that shouldn't be done anymore, yet still gets done. I'd love some coddling, I'd love doors held open for me. I'd love to see bars holding a weekly "fellas drink free" night and all that shit. I'd love to be able to make any accusation and have it usually taken more seriously based solely on my genitals, that shit would be awesome.

Don't get me wrong I want the privileges too, I wanna be able to commit crimes and get drastically more lenient sentences also based on genitalia. F*cking genital justice, the best kind of justice. You know Scrib it's weird since you talked about my use of the word female and how it's like acting like they are another species, but damn man thinking about it..we already kind of treat them as a separate species, separate from humans. Not bound by the same laws as us. Or not to the same extent.

Originally posted by Surtur
Coddling is just one of the forms privilege takes. Once again blame the men for it, but again I ask: where the feminists at for this shit? Who say feminism is just as much for men as for women?

As for females, I call them females sometimes because they are females and yep I certainly don't understand the dumb shit we do like letting them get away with murder. Not literal murder(not usually) but nah, I don't understand the bullshit double standards people either ignore or do what you did and say "well it's the male dominated society doing it". There is little reason the female thing should bother you or even be relevant. Unless you intend to pull a Bardock on me.

But yeah coddling isn't necessarily a privilege, just completely utterly unnecessary shit that shouldn't be done anymore, yet still gets done. I'd love some coddling, I'd love doors held open for me. I'd love to see bars holding a weekly "fellas drink free" night and all that shit. I'd love to be able to make any accusation and have it usually taken more seriously based solely on my genitals, that shit would be awesome.

Don't get me wrong I want the privileges too, I wanna be able to commit crimes and get drastically more lenient sentences also based on genitalia. F*cking genital justice, the best kind of justice.

I didn't actually say it was the male dominant society that did it, you extrapolated that from my post, sorry – I took it from your post since you kept saying that "we" coddle the "females", so to me that seems as if you are saying that those that aren't female are the ones coddling them, implying that society is coddling "females" and implying as well that that society is male-dominant. See where I'm coming from?

Men get away with all sorts of shit all the time, but you seem far more concerned about them "females" getting away with double standards than you are when it happens for men (which it does, a lot). You'd rather keep up this Girls vs Boys scenario instead of tackling gender equality on both sides of the spectrum. Men are more privileged in some areas, women more in others. This isn't a black and white, binary issue, this is something far-reaching and a symptom of a culture that is out-of-touch with what it means to be a human.

You say "Where are the feminists on this issue?" – well I say, where are you defending women when they are wronged? Or do you think women are never actually wronged, and every case like that is just another case of women being coddled?

The other toxic feminists are there to stand up when other females are wronged, and of course even when they aren't wronged.

I never said females don't ever get wronged, just like I never said men don't get away with anything lol. But this asinine view some have that we live in some patriarchy where there is a war on women is why I feel the need to point out these double standards. I'm not saying anyone in this specific topic said that, but it's an all too frequent narrative portrayed.

Like I said, speaking of treating females like a separate species: why do we do this sometimes, do you think? Like in your opinion why are they so likely to get drastically more lenient sentences, even for violent crimes?

Also where the f*ck are the feminists to stand up for men? To stand up for the rights of fathers? To talk about the true rape culture that is prison rape? To talk about how men experience domestic abuse just as much as females, but they don't have safe shelters and all this shit to go to? Take note of that last bit, because some pieces of shit will actually laugh if you bring that up. Like they laugh at the notion that a female could abuse a male.

Originally posted by Surtur
The other toxic feminists are there to stand up when other females are wronged, and of course even when they aren't wronged.

I never said females don't ever get wronged, just like I never said men don't get away with anything lol. But this asinine view some have that we live in some patriarchy where there is a war on women is why I feel the need to point out these double standards. I'm not saying anyone in this specific topic said that, but it's an all too frequent narrative portrayed.

Like I said, speaking of treating females like a separate species: why do we do this sometimes, do you think? Like in your opinion why are they so likely to get drastically more lenient sentences, even for violent crimes?

Also where the f*ck are the feminists to stand up for men? To stand up for the rights of fathers? To talk about the true rape culture that is prison rape? To talk about how men experience domestic abuse just as much as females, but they don't have safe shelters and all this shit to go to? Take note of that last bit, because some pieces of shit will actually laugh if you bring that up. Like they laugh at the notion that a female could abuse a male.

And why do males see women as another species? That again is for many different reasons, but males failing to see them as equals, and ultimately, as humans, plays a large part in it, too. We're all humans, at the end of the day, but many of us have trouble understanding that. We put up our barriers and borders and are happy with that, give names to everything so that we don't have to face the reality that we are all the same.

I'm pretty sure there are plenty of feminist groups who stand up for men, I know for a fact in the UK that Fathers For Justice have a large amount of support from feminist groups, but like I say, the country you live in is so divided, and everyone just has to look out for theirs and their own. It sucks, but taking sides and getting annoyed only when your specific person type is wronged is not the way to go about making things better.

One thing I will say, however, is that is disgusting how men are reverse-coddled in America (and here, too, really, but to a lesser extent): we are treated as if we are the truly privileged ones, that we can succeed without being halted, can do what we want with impunity, and that we are the strong, non-emotional leaders of our people. That is a very damaging position to take, and it's hurting a lot of people. But it's another side to this sick, many-sided die, and it shows how unequal we are as genders. A woman repeatedly beats her husband, and he has nowhere to go – he is seen as weak, and not being manly, because why would he let himself be pushed around by a weak little woman?

You see what I mean? The gender problem goes both ways, and it needs to be tackled in a humanist manner, a manner that results in both genders being genuinely equal, rather than taking part in this power game of "I want what they have".

I'm glad we both mentioned the bit you edited into your post, it's a pretty important part of this issue. (I'd have edited that into my post but KMC is still doing that weird thing)

Originally posted by Scribble
It comes from a multitude of places, and it's not just "toxic feminists" that are doing this, it's not new in the slightest. Women murderers and serial killers, and also rapists, have historically got lesser sentences. This isn't coddling, it's a weird kind of male bias where males will be more lenient on them, and the prettier they are, the more lenient they probably will be. It's maybe also due to taking them less seriously – a female killer? Pfft, she looks like a pussycat, how cute. Etc. There are many reasons for stuff like this happening, you're just homing in on one modern example that particularly irks you.

And why do males see women as another species? That again is for many different reasons, but males failing to see them as equals, and ultimately, as humans, plays a large part in it, too. We're all humans, at the end of the day, but many of us have trouble understanding that. We put up our barriers and borders and are happy with that, give names to everything so that we don't have to face the reality that we are all the same.

I'm pretty sure there are plenty of feminist groups who stand up for men, I know for a fact in the UK that Fathers For Justice have a large amount of support from feminist groups, but like I say, the country you live in is so divided, and everyone just has to look out for theirs and their own. It sucks, but taking sides and getting annoyed only when your specific person type is wronged is not the way to go about making things better.

One thing I will say, however, is that is disgusting how men are reverse-coddled in America (and here, too, really, but to a lesser extent): we are treated as if we are the truly privileged ones, that we can succeed without being halted, can do what we want with impunity, and that we are the strong, non-emotional leaders of our people. That is a very damaging position to take, and it's hurting a lot of people. But it's another side to this sick, many-sided die, and it shows how unequal we are as genders. A woman repeatedly beats her husband, and he has nowhere to go – he is seen as weak, and not being manly, because why would he let himself be pushed around by a weak little woman?

You see what I mean? The gender problem goes both ways, and it needs to be tackled in a humanist manner, a manner that results in both genders being genuinely equal, rather than taking part in this power game of "I want what they have".

Forum is having quoting problems again so I can't quote individual lines, but I never said the gender problem doesn't go both ways, but what needs to be said is the fact that it goes both ways isn't acknowledged enough.

You spoke of men being hampered which illustrates a problem because here a man discussing stuff like that, especially a white man, would essentially just get told "check your privilege". People would just laugh and make sarcastic comments about how whites have it so hard.

Which is another difference in the sides: how people react when males voice gender issues vs when females do. IMO male issues just don't get taken as seriously on average.

Yeah, it has issues with bits of formatting, for example it really seems to hate me using dashes instead of hyphens. It's fine, though.

You seem to generally be on board with what I'm saying, because I do agree that men are in a bit of a moment of crisis now just as most of ethnic and gender groups are, but I think due to the fact that powerful men have exerted dominance over their perceived "lessers" for so long, those that suffered under them have started losing empathy with all of their kind, which is a real shame. Stereotypes are abundant in our societies, and the idea of what it is to be "White" is, too, in a very confused place right now. Just because it was White people (men) who dominated for so long, that doesn't mean that all White people are like that, but race and gender relations seem so ****ed right now it's impossible for us to address that without being met with disdain or cries of racism/sexism.

But it's in how we address it that we can move forward with it all. We need to be calm, objective, understanding, empathetic, rather than getting even further annoyed and just taking the opposing side to those whom annoy you. For example, the way that you've put across a lot of what you believe has made it seem to me that you do have a misogynistic streak, some kind of bitterness at how women are being treated, and it is also apparent in your dialogue (i.e. using "females" instead of the more sensical "women", which is both grammatically correct and identifies their species as human), so all I can say is that I implore you not to give in to this basic gender argument, as it only gets in the way of the bigger problems.

The funny thing is, TI was right when he said "we're all being played". We are, we're being played against each other, and essentially although your heart is in the right place as signified by your last post, I'd humbly suggest approaching it in a more objective way, instead of knee-jerk reacting to everything the "toxic feminists" do. It will tint your view, and you will start to see everything in that light, and eventually you will see all feminism as negative, despite it being a genuinely important movement, one that speaks for both men and women (men can be feminine too, which brings us back to the manhood-in-crisis thing).

The sooner we can get over this binary way of working and thinking, the better.

I hope you understand where I'm coming from with this, and don't take it as an attack on your opinions or anything.

It's no problem I do understand. We are indeed being played. A lot of people have for so long sought to change the rules of the game, but it's becoming more apparent we need a new game entirely.