beatboks
ready for the loony bin
Originally posted by Supermutant
[B]I'm tired of you stating here and the other thread that Croc was beating a helpless Wildcat. This is even way worse than Beatboks overstated and wrong claims.
Exactly what claims have I made that were overstated and wrong?? Your own scan of the Batman Wildcat mini completely support everything I said about it.
Lets go thru those scans i total
First scan no action they stand at opposite sides of the cage whoop di do.
Second scan Ted punches Bruce full page panel.
Then bruce grapples ted and pushes him into the cage wall.
Ted kicks him off then he misses and misses again (dodged by Bruce).
Then we have Bruce telling Ted he knows he's Wildcat and trying to reason with him.
So lets look at this carefully every part of the fight prior to Bruce telling Ted who he is we so absolutley no attack launched by Bruce. A grapple isnt an attack its a restraint. Clear evidence that the Bruce was holding back the whole time. As soon as Bruce actually TRIES to attack Ted has no answer for it and is struck with such efficiency that it breaks the mask and has Ted completely horizontal. The fact that Ted cant dodge an attack that Bruce actually telegraphed to him by TELLING HIM he was going to knock his mask or his head off,shows with absolute clarity that Bruce is quite a bit above Ted in skill.
How anyone can claim that this is a showing that puts WC on Bruces level is beyond me. We even have from Ted's own mouth that Batman would have to LET HIM do it for Ted to have this easy a time with him. Again confirming that Bruce was holding back.
Nothing over stated by me at all. You on the other hand try to make it out that so much fight has gone down B4 Bruce works out who Ted is. One landed punch, a grapple and counter and two missed/dodged attacks. Not much at all is it.
Now lets look at the back story.
Both Ted and Bruce followed the trail of kidnapped athletes forced to fight in the cage ring fights. Tell me please how likely is it that Bruce is going to give someone he knows to be victum his best fight ???? On the other side of the coin we have Ted a pro fighter who has gone into the ring to professionally fight very good and close friends and gave it everything he had.
The other fight as i said is pre COIE and a totally different pair of characters. Prw crisis Batman was nowhere near as good as post in H2H. You try to counter claim that Ted was also lower pre COIE but this is a bald faced lie. One easily proven by the pre crisis history between the two.
Bold and the brave 97 an Amnesiac Ted who doesnt even remember who he is fights as an equal of Batman.
B&B 110 the two team up against a corporate organisation that Ted was actually a board member of (proof of JUST how different the versions are from current) and had stolen the breakthrus of a scientist and killed to protect that fact.
Then we have brave and bold 118 (the one yourr scans are from). Your claim that Ted is Bruce's equal in that issue simplyisnt supported by the comic. The reason Ted is even i the story is because he gives an exhibition match at a prison. The guy he fights is a joker goon who once fought him for a title bout ("dubik" or something like that). This Goon was giving Ted a pretty hard time in the ring. The same guy was taken easily by Batman. The dog being threatened in your scans had the cure to a deadly virus that had infected most of the prisoners. So Bruce had to play along. I've already shown that Joker knew Bruce was holding back , and that Bruce was surprised Ted hit him so hard (with Ted stating no point holding back and clearly shows Bruce still was).
Your claim that Ted wasnt as good as post COIE is contradicted by the fact it states on panel when Ted fights E2 Comissioner Bruce Wayne in All star Comics that Ted is the Superior fighter and that Bruce never had a chance. E1 Batman was above E2 but Ted was actually a higherrated combatant than post crisis.
FTR I'm a JSA fan and hate post COIE Batman (was a fan of the pre crisis Bat when he was human and lost occasionally and was a character who simply persevered and pushed thru it). So if there was actually a case to be made for Ted being Bruce's equal I'd be on board. There isn't.
As for the Wildcat Grundy fight. So the F what. Grundy is an elemental who absorbs energy. Particularly magic, alan using his ring against Grundy is oike someone fighting Superman on the sun. Grundy NEVER does well against street levelers because he isnt at high levels. Also Grundy is a stupid and mindless brute, sinc3 all ted did was use grundy's own momentum to run him into something not much of a showing.
